Anthony, I’m going to be VERY PICKY about your answer to my question.
In it you used the word ‘we’. I didn’t ask about ‘we/us’, I asked about YOU. Why do YOU need a deterrent against atrocities – to prevent you from committing one? …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:02 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, Then I answer you as follows: We need a deterrent to make Hitler and the like gentle lambs, so that they can be your companions on the way to heaven. Anthony --- On Tue, 23/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 3:12 PM Anthony, Hey! That’s not fair! I did answer your question. My answer was ‘I don’t know’. From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:10 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, So I don't have to answer your question. No, K.Marx did not say that. He or his friend quotes that to criticize the vanity of 'bourgeois ideology'. Anthony --- On Tue, 23/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 7:47 AM Anthony, I do not know who said that. I have heard it before however. I’ll guess either Karl Marx or Frederic Nietzsche…Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:35 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, Before I answer your question, please answer the following first: Who says even if God did not exist, we should create one. Why did he say that? Anthony --- On Mon, 22/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 22 November, 2010, 12:23 PM Anthony, In the paragraph below you say ‘…we need a deterrent against atrocities…’. Why do YOU (not Pol Pot, not Hitler, not Chris, not Bill!) need a deterrent against atrocities? …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:03 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Chris, If Hitler and Pol Pot were alive, they would not testify whether their conscience suffered. On the other hand, Hitler would have continued his nightmares without killing 10 million Jews. Like you said regarding the SS, so many people went along with him. I don't think all of them had nightmares. If so, the war deaths might have been cut in half. So we need a deterrent against atrocities, and afterlife retribution and religios hell are effective ones. That is why somebody says (do you remember who it is?) that even if God did not exist, we should create one. Anthony from the Land of the Red Guard --- On Sun, 21/11/10, ChrisAustinLane <ch...@austin-lane.net> wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane <ch...@austin-lane.net> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, 21 November, 2010, 9:19 AM Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 20, 2010, at 13:03, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote: Bill, Chris' theory applies to you and Chris himself, but not to someone like Hitler or Pol Pot. They committed atrocities without compunction. No suffering in any part of their bodies and minds. Anthony That seems like a pretty strong claim. What is the evidence for that theory about their lack of suffering? I have read at least once that Hitler (Alice Miller, some essay about the roots of adult violence in the cruelty of childhood) suffered nightmares many nights where he relived some childhood beating, determined not to cry this time. Somewhat at a tangent, part of the horror of the 20th c genocides is that so many people in the societies went along with it. The puzzle isn't Hitler so much as the SS. Anyways, Hitler and Pol Pot are dead and will never be a part of my current moment, so I have even less reason to speculate whether my experience is true for them than whether it is true for my Gov't representatives. 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