--- On Mon, 10/1/11, SteveW <[email protected]> wrote:
From: SteveW <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] zen, reality, etc(to Anthony/list) To: [email protected] Received: Monday, 10 January, 2011, 3:22 AM Hi Mel, Anthony and Whomever It May Concern. MEL: Greetings Steve Who exactly is this moment going by? MEL: One could say the individual or object, living or non-living...or the the whole picture/world/universe/some other idea When you recall what you regard as being the previous moment in the series, is it not right here, right now as a memory? And when you anticipate a future moment in the series, is it not right here, right now as an anticipation? MEL: Yes Who or what is it that you think is changing? MEL: Everyone, everything, the whole thing Is not this notion based upon the unfounded assumption that you are a subject experiencing and object? MEL: Unfounded assumption? I don't understand. Please elaborate. The use of one's daily activities may help One Zen person had satori upon hearing a bell ring. MEL: That could be a problem. The mention of satori occurs like some finality in some people's minds. It may also depend on what 'satori' is all about with each circumstance "When I heard the bell ring, there was no bell and there was no "I", there was just the ringing!" MEL: Yes Is it not perfectly obvious that in the actual right here, right now moment of experience, there is just the totality of the experience, Just This, with nothing else tacked on? MEL: Yes, but 'perfect' is relative As Seng T'san noted, "The object is object for the subject and the subject is subject for the object. Know that both rest upon one emptiness." MEL: There just is. Emptiness...yes... And now that I have mentioned that word, 'emptiness', are you going to ask what it is, where it comes from and where it goes? MEL: It depends on the activity. I could be working in the kitchen. Something was there and it has now gone missing, and so I will wonder where it has gone "It is like an eye that sees, but cannot see itself. It is like a sword that cuts, but cannot cut itself!" MEL: Yes
