Anthony, What makes you think more is better????? ...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Bill, >  > I strongly protest that you only gave me two interjection marks, while Steve > go five. How unfair you are!!!!!!!! >  > Anthony > > --- On Thu, 17/2/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Experience Merit > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, 17 February, 2011, 10:38 AM > > >  > > > > Anthony!! > > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > Steve, > > à> > You say, "Nagarjuna > > said, those who try to turn Emptiness into a fixed explanation of > > reality are incurable." > > à> > So we should not discount everything as illusion. > > à> > You also say, "àGotama wasn't > > trying to explain reality to us. He was just giving us a skillful > > medical prescription to cure us of our Dukkha." > > à> > When you have acute pain, e.g. from cancer, you would have big trouble > > convincing yourself that it is just illusion. > > à> > Gotama also says the world is like a man hit by a poisonous arrow. The > > first thing to do is to pull it out and cure the disease. Then, I think, we > > should think about why he was hit by an arrow. It includes the question of > > karma. > > à> > Anthony > > > > --- On Thu, 17/2/11, SteveW <eugnostos2000@> wrote: > > > > > > From: SteveW <eugnostos2000@> > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Experience Merit > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thursday, 17 February, 2011, 2:01 AM > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > > > Steve, > > > Ãâà> > > Neither I nor my demon are responsible for your karmic misfortunes. No > > > bribes can alleviate your problems. BTW, do you believe in karma? If not, > > > what rules this universe? > > > Ãâà> > > Anthony > > > > > > Hi Anthony. If everything is "One Bright Jewel" as Dogen put it, > > then all this talk of "my" karma and "your" karma is meaningless. > > For that matter, if the arrow of time is an illusion and everything > > is Here and Now, then karmic cause-and-effect is also an illusion. > > You think that the past causes the future, but there is no reason > > not to say that the future causes the past! (There have been physics > > experiments demonstrating this aspect of quantum weirdness.) When > > Nagarjuna wrote his famous Negations, he wasn't, imo, trying to > > give us an ontological explanation of reality, but nobody can > > that. So everybody tries to turn Emptiness into a fixed view-point. > > As I have said before, the basic Buddhist teachings on karma, the > > 12-fold chain of Dependant Origination and the teachings on > > impermanence and no-self are useful expedients for practice, but > > cannot be taken for a final and absolute explanation. I refer you > > to The Mahaparanirvana Sutra and the Dzogchen literature on this. > > The fact is that it will always be a Mystery from our finite, > > relative, rational view-points, because we cannot step outside > > of What Is in order to look at What Is. But we can rest in that > > Such-As-It-Is peacefully. So I really can't answer your question, > > Anthony, and I suspect that neither can anyone else. Gotama wasn't > > trying to explain reality to us. He was just giving us a skillful > > medical prescription to cure us of our Dukkha. But, as Nagarjuna > > said, those who try to turn Emptiness into a fixed explanation of > > reality are incurable. IMO. > > Steve > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
