Mike:  Even being 'mindful' is not 'it' as it has it's duality in forgetfullness
Mayka:  I can't see the duality of being mindful.  When there is pure 
mindfulness there is automatically "just this".  Mindfulness is full attention 
and awareness in the present moment.
 
 
 
--- On Wed, 2/3/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote:


From: mike brown <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, 2 March, 2011, 11:18


  






Hi JM,
 
Thanks for the question. Meditation is the best practice that I know of, but is 
not essential. Even being 'mindful' is not 'it' as it has it's duality in 
forgetfullness. If there is a way, then it has to be simple and everywhen (a 
nod to Steve). What do we know outside of concepts, thoughts, visualisations, 
tools, witnessing etc.? We are always beyond doubt existentially aware of 'I 
am' (a further nod to Ramana Maharishi and Nisargadatta Maharal),  so this is a 
good place to start. But ultimately, even awareness of 'I am' is a product of 
the mind and so we need to go further beyond that to Pure Awareness ; ) where 
we all share the same (Buddha) Nature and nothing really needs to be done.
 
Mike





From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, 2 March, 2011 0:38:16
Subject: [Zen] Realization

  

Hi Mike,

According to your witness, is there a practice/way/how to "realize"?

Thanks,
JM
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org

On 3/1/2011 2:16 AM, mike brown wrote: 
  


ED,
 
Maybe, maybe not. It still stands tho that meditation is not essential 
for enlightenment as it leads us away from Realisation. Therein lies the 
paradox - for most of us meditation was the way to Realisation.
 
Mike





From: ED <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 1 March, 2011 18:20:57
Subject: Re: [Zen] Change

  



 
I believe that there are relatively few cases of individuals who have claimed 
to have become spontaneously enlightened or were born enlightened.
--ED
 
--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
> 
> ... I empathise with the Dzogchen claim that meditation is not essential 
> for enlightenmentm but is useful for developing mindfullness, moral 
> development, 
> concentration etc. Only after Realisation is meditation essential for 
> deepening 
> the initial breakthrough.
> 
> Mike






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