Mayka,

Not at all! But that also answers your question about it being one side of a 
duality (mindful/not mindful). However, even if you forget to be mindful (!) - 
you're always aware of 'I am'...

Mike

 



________________________________
From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 3 March, 2011 1:38:50
Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization

  
Mike:
No but I wish.  Are you? 
Mayka


--- On Wed, 2/3/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote:


>From: mike brown <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization
>To: [email protected]
>Date: Wednesday, 2 March, 2011, 15:37
>
>
>  
>Mayka,
>
>Are you mindful 24/7? 
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Thu, 3 March, 2011 0:20:44
>Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization
>
>  
>Mike:  Even being 'mindful' is not 'it' as it has it's duality in 
forgetfullness
>Mayka:  I can't see the duality of being mindful.  When there is pure 
>mindfulness there is automatically "just this".  Mindfulness is full attention 
>and awareness in the present moment.
> 
>
>
>--- On Wed, 2/3/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>From: mike brown <[email protected]>
>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization
>>To: [email protected]
>>Date: Wednesday, 2 March, 2011, 11:18
>>
>>
>>  
>>Hi JM,
>>
>>Thanks for the question. Meditation is the best practice that I know of, but 
>>is 
>>not essential. Even being 'mindful' is not 'it' as it has it's duality in 
>>forgetfullness. If there is a way, then it has to be simple and everywhen (a 
>>nod 
>>to Steve). What do we know outside of concepts, thoughts, visualisations, 
>>tools, 
>>witnessing etc.? We are always beyond doubt existentially aware of 'I am' (a 
>>further nod to Ramana Maharishi and Nisargadatta Maharal),  so this is a good 
>>place to start. But ultimately, even awareness of 'I am' is a product of the 
>>mind and so we need to go further beyond that to Pure Awareness ; ) where we 
>>all 
>>share the same (Buddha) Nature and nothing really needs to be done.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
________________________________
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
>>To: [email protected]
>>Sent: Wed, 2 March, 2011 0:38:16
>>Subject: [Zen] Realization
>>
>>  
>>Hi Mike,
>>
>>According to your witness, is there a practice/way/how to "realize"?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>JM
>>
>>Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com 
>>http://www.heartchan.org 
>>
>>On 3/1/2011 2:16 AM, mike brown wrote: 
>>  
>>>ED,
>>>
>>>Maybe, maybe not. It still stands tho that meditation is not essential 
>>>for enlightenment as it leads us away from Realisation. Therein lies the 
>>>paradox 
>>>- for most of us meditation was the way to Realisation.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
________________________________
From: ED <[email protected]>
>>>To: [email protected]
>>>Sent: Tue, 1 March, 2011 18:20:57
>>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Change
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 
>>>I believe that there are relatively few cases of individuals who have 
>>>claimed to 
>>>have become spontaneously enlightened or were born enlightened.
>>>--ED
>>>
>>>--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>> 
>>>> ... I empathise with the Dzogchen claim that meditation is not essential 
>>>> for enlightenmentm but is useful for developing mindfullness, moral 
>>>>development, 
>>>>
>>>> concentration etc. Only after Realisation is meditation essential for 
>>>> deepening 
>>>>
>>>> the initial breakthrough.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>
>> 
> 



      

Reply via email to