--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Steve -
>
> Do you assert below that Zen is a mystery that cannot be probed with the
> ordinary mind, and can only be apprehended through an experience of the
> state of kensho-satori, after an act of faith and years or decades of
> shikantaza?
>
> --ED
>
> Hi again, ED. I also wanted to add that I assume that when you use the term,
> "ordinary mind", you mean our ordinary tendancy to rely upon logical
> reasoning and not the "zenspeak" use of the phrase, "ordinary mind". I'll
> even ignore Wittgenstein's advice and try and tell you what I personally
> experienced. But, of course it will be all to no avail. It happened that one
> day, for no reason I can give, that I became acutely aware of the fact that
> in every moment of experience there is only the total "being-ness" of
> experience. There is no subject experiencing an object of experience, there
> is only the totality of the experience itself, and that totality includes
> everything. This awareness was not a matter of discursive thinking.
> Discursive thinking was what arose afterwards. I did not feel that I had
> experienced something new, but had only noticed the way it had always been.
> That's the best way I can describe my own initial awakening, but I am already
> dissatisfied with what I have said. My life is like a sleepwalker who
> occasionally wakes up and then nods off again. But what has remained constant
> in my life is that shinjin I mentioned. Hence, I am at peace.
Steve
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