Bill; The way you saw mindfulness is correct. At the same time is correct to say that is technique, tool to lead one to what you call Buddha Mind. 1 - So there is the FORM MINDFULNESS (the tool, the technique, the way you generate the energy of mindfulness) 2- There is the direct EXPERIENCE of mindfulness 3 - There is the energy of that practise growing and growing through daily practise. This energy is the energy of the Buddha. This energy is THE PURE MIND you talk about as it's an energy that is beyond duality, It's awake, free from views, attachment..... Seeing how extremely difficult is to most of people I have met to understand mindfulness, I'm less and less surprise that TNH has had to create through his own fruits of mindfulness guides such as the mindfulness trainings. Personally I like from time to time the reading of the 5 Mindfulness Trainings. In very short words tell me all I need to be told as a bell reminder. The words written on the card received are not the same as the ones posted by ED link. TNH up dated them again. I keep with the words of the ones I received. Everything is useful it all depends how it's used. Mayka
--- On Thu, 31/3/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Re: An Opinion of Thich Nhat Hanh To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 31 March, 2011, 3:07 When this discussion thread began I ASSUMED TNH's 'mindfulness' was the same as 'Buddha Mind' or 'Original Mind'. After reading some of these posts I think maybe that's not a valid assumption. Now I think maybe 'mindfulness' is a teaching technique to prepare you or lead you towards 'Buddha Mind'. If that's so then paying attention to precepts would be appropriate while practicing 'mindfulness'. Can anyone clarigy that? --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > Bingo! > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > ED, > > > > >Do you assert below that Zen is a mystery that cannot be probed with the > > >ordinary mind, and can only be apprehended through an experience of the > > >state of > > >kensho-satori, after an act of faith and years or decades of shikantaza?< > > > > Zen is waking up, eating breakfast and taking a dump - no mystery at all. > > You > > don't need precepts. You don't need Zen Buddhism. And you don't > > need someone to > > explain how to do them. Ordinary mindis the way. > > > > Mike > > >
