Mike: It's not a matter here to agree or disagree with a piece of writing. I asked you a very concrete question to be answered yes or not: Are this said coming because you first put into practise mindfulness, you had the direct experience of mindfulness and afterwards you reached to the conclusions below? Have you ever practised mindfulness?. What is your direct experience with it? Mayka --- On Thu, 31/3/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote:
From: mike brown <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: An Opinion of Thich Nhat Hanh To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 31 March, 2011, 13:59 Mayka, >Have you ever practice mindfulness?. What is your direct experience with >mindfulness?. According to what I was taught we only talk about something we have a direct experience with it. If you understand and concur with what I wrote below about mindfulness, then I can't really see the point of you asking these questions as the answer to them should be self evident. If, however, there is something you fundamentally disagree with then please raise that concern and we can discuss it. Mike From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 31 March, 2011 18:23:19 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: An Opinion of Thich Nhat Hanh Mike; Have you ever practice mindfulness?. What is your direct experience with mindfulness?. According to what I was taught we only talk about something we have a direct experience with it. Mayka --- On Thu, 31/3/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: From: mike brown <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: An Opinion of Thich Nhat Hanh To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 31 March, 2011, 3:54 Bill!, >so that people who are practicing meditation will be able to awaken first to >the fact that, whether deluded or awakened, their own minds are numinous, >aware, and never dark and their nature is unchanging.' It's been a lonely few weeks trying to explain how mindfulness is not synonymous with Buddha Mind, so it's a pleasure to have you aboard! Mindfulness is a technique that leads us to Buddha Mind, but is not a technique only as Buddha Mind is able to unfold and encompass mindfulness. I found the above quote while researching Steve's recommendation about Chinul and find it quite instructive on this point. The deluded mind will use mindfulness as a technique to search for Buddha Mind - the awakened person has no need for employing mindfulness as they are always aware that there is nowhere where Buddha Mind is not. Mike From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 31 March, 2011 11:07:49 Subject: [Zen] Re: An Opinion of Thich Nhat Hanh When this discussion thread began I ASSUMED TNH's 'mindfulness' was the same as 'Buddha Mind' or 'Original Mind'. After reading some of these posts I think maybe that's not a valid assumption. Now I think maybe 'mindfulness' is a teaching technique to prepare you or lead you towards 'Buddha Mind'. If that's so then paying attention to precepts would be appropriate while practicing 'mindfulness'. Can anyone clarigy that? --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > Bingo! > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > ED, > > > > >Do you assert below that Zen is a mystery that cannot be probed with the > > >ordinary mind, and can only be apprehended through an experience of the > > >state of > > >kensho-satori, after an act of faith and years or decades of shikantaza?< > > > > Zen is waking up, eating breakfast and taking a dump - no mystery at all. > > You > > don't need precepts. You don't need Zen Buddhism. And you don't > > need someone to > > explain how to do them. Ordinary mindis the way. > > > > Mike > > >
