Hi  Anthony,

I understand that you trying to discuss from a logic or definition of words. I am not saying whether I am correct or wrong. At the beginning of my journey I am like you. I struggle with these terms as well. As I said, it took me six year to conquer my terminology.

Actually, all my posts are from my experience. My experience like Daniel's youtube is center in the heart and not in the brain. It is a whole body experience. And this experience coincide more and more with my Teacher's teaching as time passes.

Don't mean to confuse you. I also like to say, in my states, there is no mind and no heart, just chi, electricity and lights. The key point IMO, is that state of kensho, satori, or even just Jhana can not sustained without chi, which is labeled as vital energy by Daniel.

Of course, my experience could also be labeled as maya by Bill. :-)

It is not important what I say or experience. It is only important what you experience. As you well know, Buddha said clearly in Diamond sutra that He said NO dharma.

Best,  JM

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org


On 4/14/2011 4:10 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:

JM,
What is 'mind'? What is 'heart'? What is the difference between 'mind' and 'heart'?
Anthony

--- On *Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 /<[email protected]>/* wrote:


    From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
    To: [email protected]
    Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 3:36 AM

    Wow,  Thank you ED.  I have watched the first one.

    HuangDi Neijing said it very clearly for 2,000 years, "Our Shen,
    or inner divine, requires the support of Qi or Chi."

    Personally, having a high tech BG, it took me 6 years to wake up
    to the fact that our Teaching is not about our mind.  It is about
    our entire being.  And at the center of it, is our heart.

    That's my witness.  Now there is someone else too.  Thank you
    again, ED.  Lovely day today.
    :-)
    JM

    BTW, I was just informed that our version of Diamond Sutra is on
    youtube with English subtitle.
    http://www.youtube.com/joycedaolian#p/u/4/ROkmtB1fB8I

    Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
    http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com  <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/>
    http://www.heartchan.org  <http://www.heartchan.org/>


    On 4/14/2011 10:25 AM, ED wrote:
    Mike,  two more tapes by Empty_Grace. I experience this guy as
    knowing what he is talking about. JM, he has good things to say
    about the Heart.   --ED
    The Three Dimensions of Release
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1
    <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1>   Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related
    <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related>  Part 2


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