Yes, Anthony, no problem. The heart includes the mind. But the mind
does not contain the heart. As Daniel said, heart is the "grand central
station". Forget the Chinese definition, just feel it. :-) JM.
Or, perhaps, think in physiological term. Without the heart pumping
blood to the brain. The brain is dead.
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On 4/15/2011 6:05 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:
JMJM,
Don't think I am making trouble for you. I am just curious. On your
part, you have not 'conquered your terminology' either, because you
keep enhancing the 'heart' and disparaging the 'mind'. I am wondering
what your teacher says in Chinese referring to 'heart' and 'mind'. As
far as I can see from my limited knowledge, both are referred to in
Chinese by 'xin'. In general, they are the same, but sometimes they
may mean different things. That is why I keep asking. My question is
not about terminology, but you say you have different experiences with
regard to the mind and the heart. Can you elaborate?
Anthony
--- On *Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
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From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 7:53 AM
Hi Anthony,
I understand that you trying to discuss from a logic or definition
of words. I am not saying whether I am correct or wrong. At the
beginning of my journey I am like you. I struggle with these
terms as well. As I said, it took me six year to conquer my
terminology.
Actually, all my posts are from my experience. My experience like
Daniel's youtube is center in the heart and not in the brain. It
is a whole body experience. And this experience coincide more and
more with my Teacher's teaching as time passes.
Don't mean to confuse you. I also like to say, in my states,
there is no mind and no heart, just chi, electricity and lights.
The key point IMO, is that state of kensho, satori, or even just
Jhana can not sustained without chi, which is labeled as vital
energy by Daniel.
Of course, my experience could also be labeled as maya by Bill. :-)
It is not important what I say or experience. It is only
important what you experience. As you well know, Buddha said
clearly in Diamond sutra that He said NO dharma.
Best, JM
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On 4/14/2011 4:10 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
JM,
What is 'mind'? What is 'heart'? What is the difference between
'mind' and 'heart'?
Anthony
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From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
<http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
To: [email protected]
<http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 3:36 AM
Wow, Thank you ED. I have watched the first one.
HuangDi Neijing said it very clearly for 2,000 years, "Our
Shen, or inner divine, requires the support of Qi or Chi."
Personally, having a high tech BG, it took me 6 years to wake
up to the fact that our Teaching is not about our mind. It
is about our entire being. And at the center of it, is our
heart.
That's my witness. Now there is someone else too. Thank you
again, ED. Lovely day today.
:-)
JM
BTW, I was just informed that our version of Diamond Sutra is
on youtube with English subtitle.
http://www.youtube.com/joycedaolian#p/u/4/ROkmtB1fB8I
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On 4/14/2011 10:25 AM, ED wrote:
Mike, two more tapes by Empty_Grace. I experience this guy
as knowing what he is talking about. JM, he has good things
to say about the Heart. --ED
The Three Dimensions of Release
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1> Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related> Part
2
