Somewhat Yes, Anthony. To be exact to our teaching, the Heart Chakra,
is what I usually refer to as the location of the "heart", which is not
the organic heart, nor is just an energy point. It is just the center
of the energy point. The Heart Chakra however is not the "heart" that I
refer to either.
The Heart that I refer to is the collective feeling, sensing, wisdom,
energy, joy, sadness, etc. etc. our entire being, physiological, mental
and spiritual combined, unified, integrated into one, yet it is
invisible and formless.
Let me ask you this, does the "mind" IYO, includes all of this or not?
I could be wrong, but I understand that the mind does not include all this.
For instance, the Heart that I refer to definitely includes energy, or
chi and emotions. Does the mind include that?
If not, then heart is the term communicates my experience more accurately.
Well?
JM
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On 4/15/2011 2:45 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
JM,
Without the heart pumping blood to the brain. The brain is dead.'
Equally correct is 'without a living brain, the heart can only pump
blood for a zombie, or for another person it is transplanted into.'
Since you pay attention to chakras, I suspect your 'heart' has to do
with the heart chakra, which Tantra considers an important center. Is
it right?
Anthony
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From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 9:50 PM
Yes, Anthony, no problem. The heart includes the mind. But the
mind does not contain the heart. As Daniel said, heart is the
"grand central station". Forget the Chinese definition, just feel
it. :-) JM.
Or, perhaps, think in physiological term. Without the heart
pumping blood to the brain. The brain is dead.
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On 4/15/2011 6:05 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:
JMJM,
Don't think I am making trouble for you. I am just curious. On
your part, you have not 'conquered your terminology' either,
because you keep enhancing the 'heart' and disparaging the
'mind'. I am wondering what your teacher says in Chinese
referring to 'heart' and 'mind'. As far as I can see from my
limited knowledge, both are referred to in Chinese by 'xin'. In
general, they are the same, but sometimes they may mean different
things. That is why I keep asking. My question is not about
terminology, but you say you have different experiences with
regard to the mind and the heart. Can you elaborate?
Anthony
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From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
<http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
To: [email protected]
<http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 7:53 AM
Hi Anthony,
I understand that you trying to discuss from a logic or
definition of words. I am not saying whether I am correct or
wrong. At the beginning of my journey I am like you. I
struggle with these terms as well. As I said, it took me six
year to conquer my terminology.
Actually, all my posts are from my experience. My experience
like Daniel's youtube is center in the heart and not in the
brain. It is a whole body experience. And this experience
coincide more and more with my Teacher's teaching as time
passes.
Don't mean to confuse you. I also like to say, in my states,
there is no mind and no heart, just chi, electricity and
lights. The key point IMO, is that state of kensho, satori,
or even just Jhana can not sustained without chi, which is
labeled as vital energy by Daniel.
Of course, my experience could also be labeled as maya by
Bill. :-)
It is not important what I say or experience. It is only
important what you experience. As you well know, Buddha said
clearly in Diamond sutra that He said NO dharma.
Best, JM
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On 4/14/2011 4:10 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
JM,
What is 'mind'? What is 'heart'? What is the difference
between 'mind' and 'heart'?
Anthony
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From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
<[email protected]>
<http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
To: [email protected]
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Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 3:36 AM
Wow, Thank you ED. I have watched the first one.
HuangDi Neijing said it very clearly for 2,000 years,
"Our Shen, or inner divine, requires the support of Qi
or Chi."
Personally, having a high tech BG, it took me 6 years to
wake up to the fact that our Teaching is not about our
mind. It is about our entire being. And at the center
of it, is our heart.
That's my witness. Now there is someone else too.
Thank you again, ED. Lovely day today.
:-)
JM
BTW, I was just informed that our version of Diamond
Sutra is on youtube with English subtitle.
http://www.youtube.com/joycedaolian#p/u/4/ROkmtB1fB8I
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On 4/14/2011 10:25 AM, ED wrote:
Mike, two more tapes by Empty_Grace. I experience this
guy as knowing what he is talking about. JM, he has
good things to say about the Heart. --ED
The Three Dimensions of Release
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1> Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related>
Part 2
