Hi Anthony and all: It has just occured me that to clear at once what is mental mind and what is heart, nothing better than giving a visual experience here. Please, Pay special attention after minute 2:37. The heart in this video is completely absented. The mind acting as a separate individual in absence of the heart, is a source of confusion, misery and ignorance as you will be seeing it. The mind lead to this perpretators of life to act as if they were separated from the life they kill. That's the job of the mind without a heart. If the heart will be present in them they won't ever do that, as they would be unable to bear the pain infringed over other life. http://vimeo.com/11853053 Mayka --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Anthony Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Anthony Wu <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 22:45 JM, Without the heart pumping blood to the brain. The brain is dead.' Equally correct is 'without a living brain, the heart can only pump blood for a zombie, or for another person it is transplanted into.' Since you pay attention to chakras, I suspect your 'heart' has to do with the heart chakra, which Tantra considers an important center. Is it right? Anthony --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 9:50 PM Yes, Anthony, no problem. The heart includes the mind. But the mind does not contain the heart. As Daniel said, heart is the "grand central station". Forget the Chinese definition, just feel it. :-) JM. Or, perhaps, think in physiological term. Without the heart pumping blood to the brain. The brain is dead. Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 4/15/2011 6:05 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: JMJM, Don't think I am making trouble for you. I am just curious. On your part, you have not 'conquered your terminology' either, because you keep enhancing the 'heart' and disparaging the 'mind'. I am wondering what your teacher says in Chinese referring to 'heart' and 'mind'. As far as I can see from my limited knowledge, both are referred to in Chinese by 'xin'. In general, they are the same, but sometimes they may mean different things. That is why I keep asking. My question is not about terminology, but you say you have different experiences with regard to the mind and the heart. Can you elaborate? Anthony --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 7:53 AM Hi Anthony, I understand that you trying to discuss from a logic or definition of words. I am not saying whether I am correct or wrong. At the beginning of my journey I am like you. I struggle with these terms as well. As I said, it took me six year to conquer my terminology. Actually, all my posts are from my experience. My experience like Daniel's youtube is center in the heart and not in the brain. It is a whole body experience. And this experience coincide more and more with my Teacher's teaching as time passes. Don't mean to confuse you. I also like to say, in my states, there is no mind and no heart, just chi, electricity and lights. The key point IMO, is that state of kensho, satori, or even just Jhana can not sustained without chi, which is labeled as vital energy by Daniel. Of course, my experience could also be labeled as maya by Bill. :-) It is not important what I say or experience. It is only important what you experience. As you well know, Buddha said clearly in Diamond sutra that He said NO dharma. Best, JM Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 4/14/2011 4:10 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: JM, What is 'mind'? What is 'heart'? What is the difference between 'mind' and 'heart'? Anthony --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 3:36 AM Wow, Thank you ED. I have watched the first one. HuangDi Neijing said it very clearly for 2,000 years, "Our Shen, or inner divine, requires the support of Qi or Chi." Personally, having a high tech BG, it took me 6 years to wake up to the fact that our Teaching is not about our mind. It is about our entire being. And at the center of it, is our heart. That's my witness. Now there is someone else too. Thank you again, ED. Lovely day today. :-) JM BTW, I was just informed that our version of Diamond Sutra is on youtube with English subtitle. http://www.youtube.com/joycedaolian#p/u/4/ROkmtB1fB8I Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 4/14/2011 10:25 AM, ED wrote: Mike, two more tapes by Empty_Grace. I experience this guy as knowing what he is talking about. JM, he has good things to say about the Heart. --ED The Three Dimensions of Release http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1 Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related Part 2
