Mayka, If you'll notice I indicated that I believe most people blame others for their FEELINGS (happy/sad, successful/unsuccessful, hate/love, etc...). I believe that. Your feelings are you own responsibility.
This is not the same as CIRCUMSTANCE. There are many who are in very desperate circumstances, and certainly I agree that others could be at least in part responsible for those circumstances - and as you point out their circumstances might by no one's fault, but are desperate nonetheless - like poverty, hunger, disease, war zone, etc... These distinctions might not mean anything to you, but they do to me so I thought I'd post this. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > Bill wrote: > "I do agree that we all do tend to blame others (other people, circumstances, > 'luck', etc...) for our feelings." > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >  > I've been hearing a lot about this statement. I believe this to be a very > relative statement. How comfortable for all kind of abusers including > politicians the statement above!. We tend to forget that there are people > in the world who suffer from abuse, social discrimination, marginalisation, > aggression, violence.....I believe that statement carries a double razor edge > and that in the same way that it serves well towards ones awareness about > something, it also serves well to all those people who tend to close their > eyes in front of injustice, cruelty, abuse to all life in general and use > this statement to clean their dirty doings. >  >  >  I believe that the truth about that statement is in the way we recognise > first what is going on within and around and second the way that that all is > faced, handle and finally transformed. >  > Mayka > > --- On Sat, 23/4/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Another Article Of Possible Interest > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, 23 April, 2011, 4:39 > > >  > > > > ED, > > First of all thank you for your direct answer. > > Second of all, I apologize for not getting the humor intended. I do agree > that we all do tend to blame others (other people, circustances, 'luck', > etc...) for our feelings. > > ...Ill! > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > That statement of mine, had the typical male-female relationship in > > mind, and was slyly intended to be humorous: "If only my husband (or > > wife) would change her ways, wouldn't we both be happier?" > > > > It is easier to complain about the other's behaviors than to retraining > > our ourselves to adapt to them. > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > ED, > > > > It's very obvious that you try your best not to answer questions asked > > of you, > > and usually respond with another question; so if you think I haven't > > noticed > > you're wrong. > > > > I, however, do respond when asked a question - even if it's just to say > > 'I don't > > know'. In this case, however, I do know how to answer. > > > > You stated in an earlier post that you thought people want to change the > > actions > > of others so they could be 'happier' - or something to that effect. > > Isn't that > > why you want to change your own actions? If so, what's the difference in > > wanting to change YOUR actions and wanting to change OTHERS' actions? > > > > I'm asking YOU another(actually the same)question. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > </group/Zen_Forum/post?postID=JRk3cxZns-ljxPCqut6SCRsyzieEuX8riX6roHKxoH\ > > 5dD_nFu-8vWL0PC3CafLAZ--tyj6FlmOkb4lqf7XeEkpo> , "ED" > > <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > If you do not see any difference, please explain why. > > > > > > Thanks, ED > > > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > > > What is the difference between wanting to change your actions and > > > wanting to change the actions of others? > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
