Bill: It would be good one to write below the story you told us about. Can I copy and put below in the zen story. By the way, is there any tittle for that story? Mayka
--- On Thu, 15/9/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 3:44 'Doing Kindness' If you're doing kindness to make yourself fell good, then you have missed the mark. If you're doing kindness to make others feel good, then you have missed the mark. If you're doing kindness, you are closer but still have missed the mark. If you're just doing, then you're close to the mark. If life just unfolds around you, then you're very close to the mark. If Just THIS!, Bullseye! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > Siska Wrote: > "This is not to say that there is absolutely no one, on this earth, who do > kindness just for the sake of doing it, just like eating when hungry and > sleeping when sleepy, without identifying the kindness as something more > special than the act of eating and sleeping. There may be. I just have not > met any". > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Are you sure Siska you haven't met any?. Perhaps you have met and more than > one person like that but you were unable to see any of them. And at this > point is when the presence of the heart becomes very important. Amongst > other things in a way the heart are the real eyes of the buddha. > Mayka > > > > --- On Tue, 13/9/11, siska_cen@... <siska_cen@...> wrote: > > > From: siska_cen@... <siska_cen@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 13:20 > > > Hi Mayka, > > I agree there are people who serve 'selflessly' for the benefit of people. > 'Selfless' here is in the sense where the actions are not performed for the > benefit of oneself but others, and nothing is expected in return from people > who receive the kindness. I believe this is what you are saying. And again, I > agree. > > On the other hand, unless it is an action of an enlightened person (or in > Zen's words perhaps of Buddha Mind), then there is still 'self' or 'ego' > behind these 'selfless' acts. Most people still do an act of kindness with a > purpose, for example, to see others happy. What happen if others are not > happy? What happen if the conditions of people being helped is not improved? > > This is not to say that there is absolutely no one, on this earth, who do > kindness just for the sake of doing it, just like eating when hungry and > sleeping when sleepy, without identifying the kindness as something more > special than the act of eating and sleeping. There may be. I just have not > met any. > > Siska > ------Original Message------ > From: Maria Lopez > Sender: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > Sent: Sep 11, 2011 15:53 > > Siska: They may be a tiny minority left in the world but still there are > people who do things for the wellbeing of life and other human fellows for > nothing. It's empathy what leads this minority to act in that way. There > also culutres consider as an undevelop that they also do things for the sake > of doing it. And there is not a catch when they do that. On the other side > of the spectrum and Living in that "develop" societies that seem to go crazy > in the worst way of destructive madness for all what is simple and beautiful > and giving as a result selfish self-centered individuals doesn't mean > that everyone is on that boat. Mayka --- On Sun, 11/9/11, siska_cen@... > <siska_cen@...> wrote: From: siska_cen@... <siska_cen@...> Subject: Re: [Zen] > Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle To: [email protected] Date: > Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 4:27 Hi Mayka, > A high percentage of English > people met, > they tended to be very friendly only when they're not in their own land or > also when they want something from you. Don't we all? Each of us is selfish > being. It's only the extend we apply it in our actions that is a little > different. Unless we're enlightened. Siska From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> > Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:07:04 +0100 (BST) > To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: > Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle Billl: If someone from the > all over the world students studying in England hear you about this "friendly > people" may give you a good slap in the face to help see reality in England. > American people are very helpful and friendly, that is a true statement. > But, THE ENGLISH LIVING IN ENGLAND?. I don't think so!!. A high percentage > of English people met, they tended to be very friendly only when they're not > in their own land or also > when they want something from you. . Mayka --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Bill! > <BillSmart@...> wrote: From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> Subje > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links >
