Bill, Thanks for keeping the vow. Anthony
________________________________ From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 10 February 2012, 16:29 Subject: Re: [Zen] What of God? Anthony, Sentient beings are numberless. I vow to save them. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Bill/ED, >  > It is relatively easy to deal with your own 'real' or emotional pain. Relax. > If it does not work, take a pain killer, sedative, or further, get a shot of > morpine. >  > It is more of a challenge to treat other people's pain and suffering. Should > zen masters adopt an attitude of 'none of my business', when seeing others' > suffering? Or else, what should they do? >  > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > From: ED <seacrofter001@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012, 23:36 > Subject: Re: [Zen] What of God? > > >  > > Bill, > As far as you can tell, do your opinions on this matter differ in any way > from those of your Zen/zen teachers? > Thanks. > --ED >  > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > ED, > > I think it's about time for my periodic caveat... > > I am not a zen teacher nor do I claim to represent any particular zen school. > All my posts are my own opinions and reflect my own private practice. > > The items you mentioned "acute physical pain or chronic physical pain or > emotional pain or feelings such as anxiety or fear" are not all the same. > There > are at least 2 categories: real 'pain' and emotional 'pain'. > > Real 'pain' is indeed real. It is a response of your body to trauma. Actually > the feeling itself is the response and the labeling it as 'pain' is > post-processing activity of your discriminating mind. In any case there is > nothing you can really do to make this 'go away' and can only relax and accept > it. > > Emotional 'pain' is illusory. It is a response of your SELF to a perceived > slight or dangerous situation and totally a product of your discriminating > mind. > You can make this 'go away' and can do this by doing the same thing as with > real > pain - relax and accept it. > > That's the best I can come up with right now. > > ...Bill! > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > Bill and All, > > > > As per zen, how does one 'deal with' or relate to or be with acute > > physical pain or chronic physical pain or emotional pain or feelings > > such as anxiety or fear? > > > > Thank you. > > > > --ED > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > ED, > > > > Abandoning effort has always been man's savior. > > > > Meditate (zazen) to halt your mind's functions and discard your desire > > for control. > > Discover you have no self to discipline. > > Just be. > > > > No need to jump, you are already there. > > > > ...Bill! >
