Ah I got it it's uncle Tom and the horizontal violence. What a classic? Uncle Tom aint gunna let no uppity half casts hang about here. Poor uncle Tom he cant ever go home.
--- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@...> wrote: > > Wicked people often accuse their victims as if if by denying the victim any > innocence they absolve themselves of guilt. Such behaviour would demonstrate > an awareness of natural justice that could only further condem them. > > So why then would they do it? > > Could any such person have taken even the first step upon the path? > > Problem Gamblers! > Pomposs pretenders, social climbers. > > No one can seek both truth and deception. > > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > Do you mean 'mind their own business, while we mind ours'? > > Â > > anthony > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: rewrisk <rewrisk@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, 10 February 2012, 20:41 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] What of God? > > > > > > Â > > Is it more enlightened to treat suffering that people cause themselves or > > the suffering such people cause the world they live at the expense of? > > > > Do us both a favour and think about this before answering. > > > > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill/ED, > > > ÃÂ > > > It is relatively easy to deal with your own 'real' or emotional pain. > > > Relax. If it does not work, take a pain killer, sedative, or further, get > > > a shot of morpine. > > > ÃÂ > > > It is more of a challenge to treat other people's pain and suffering. > > > Should zen masters adopt an attitude of 'none of my business', when > > > seeing others' suffering? Or else, what should they do? > > > ÃÂ > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: ED <seacrofter001@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012, 23:36 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] What of God? > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > Bill, > > > As far as you can tell, do your opinions on this matter differ in any way > > > from those of your Zen/zen teachers?ÃÂ > > > Thanks. > > > --ED > > > ÃÂ > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > I think it's about time for my periodic caveat... > > > > > > I am not a zen teacher nor do I claim to represent any particular zen > > > school. > > > All my posts are my own opinions and reflect my own private practice. > > > > > > The items you mentioned "acute physical pain or chronic physical pain or > > > emotional pain or feelings such as anxiety or fear" are not all the same. > > > There > > > are at least 2 categories: real 'pain' and emotional 'pain'. > > > > > > Real 'pain' is indeed real. It is a response of your body to trauma. > > > Actually > > > the feeling itself is the response and the labeling it as 'pain' is > > > post-processing activity of your discriminating mind. In any case there is > > > nothing you can really do to make this 'go away' and can only relax and > > > accept > > > it. > > > > > > Emotional 'pain' is illusory. It is a response of your SELF to a perceived > > > slight or dangerous situation and totally a product of your > > > discriminating mind. > > > You can make this 'go away' and can do this by doing the same thing as > > > with real > > > pain - relax and accept it. > > > > > > That's the best I can come up with right now. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill and All, > > > > > > > > As per zen, how does one 'deal with' or relate to or be with acute > > > > physical pain or chronic physical pain or emotional pain or feelings > > > > such as anxiety or fear? > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > --ED > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > > > Abandoning effort has always been man's savior. > > > > > > > > Meditate (zazen) to halt your mind's functions and discard your desire > > > > for control. > > > > Discover you have no self to discipline. > > > > Just be. > > > > > > > > No need to jump, you are already there. > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
