ED, I really don't know because I never asked that specific question of them. My hunch is they would feel very similarly as I do, but I really don't know.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > Bill, > As far as you can tell, do your opinions on this matter differ in any > way from those of your Zen/zen teachers? > > Thanks. > > --ED > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > ED, > > I think it's about time for my periodic caveat... > > I am not a zen teacher nor do I claim to represent any particular zen > school. > All my posts are my own opinions and reflect my own private practice. > > The items you mentioned "acute physical pain or chronic physical pain or > emotional pain or feelings such as anxiety or fear" are not all the > same. There > are at least 2 categories: real 'pain' and emotional 'pain'. > > Real 'pain' is indeed real. It is a response of your body to trauma. > Actually > the feeling itself is the response and the labeling it as 'pain' is > post-processing activity of your discriminating mind. In any case there > is > nothing you can really do to make this 'go away' and can only relax and > accept > it. > > Emotional 'pain' is illusory. It is a response of your SELF to a > perceived > slight or dangerous situation and totally a product of your > discriminating mind. > You can make this 'go away' and can do this by doing the same thing as > with real > pain - relax and accept it. > > That's the best I can come up with right now. > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected] > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/post?postID=XwCCuODmiie3jfQH--z\ > MH3wVAPbRqNEmQbMGJ4gA59gCwDAzans4mI2_WawQrXt50jEvnpgdDX8HbAalts0Pmg> , > "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > Bill and All, > > > > As per zen, how does one 'deal with' or relate to or be with acute > > physical pain or chronic physical pain or emotional pain or feelings > > such as anxiety or fear? > > > > Thank you. > > > > --ED > > > > --- In [email protected] > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/post?postID=XwCCuODmiie3jfQH--z\ > MH3wVAPbRqNEmQbMGJ4gA59gCwDAzans4mI2_WawQrXt50jEvnpgdDX8HbAalts0Pmg> , > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > ED, > > > > Abandoning effort has always been man's savior. > > > > Meditate (zazen) to halt your mind's functions and discard your desire > > for control. > > Discover you have no self to discipline. > > Just be. > > > > No need to jump, you are already there. > > > > ...Bill! > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
