K, I have to agree with you again that though the sutras profess to be from the words of the historcal Buddha, they are actually not. Anthony
________________________________ From: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2012, 21:37 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: News: Stanford scholar tracks meditation's migration from ancient monasteries to modern yoga Also a matter of what is meant by 'Buddha'. While not the words of THE [historical] Buddha, they are words of Buddha. Buddha, is not a name. Buddha Dharma is not a teaching. Buddha Nature is not a state or quality... K On 6/3/2012 8:43 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: >Heart and Diamond Sutras are supposed to be about Buddha's own words, but >actually they were written collectively by anonymous authors hudreds of years >after Buddha's death. They are mahayanas classics. > >Anthony > > >From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2012, 19:46 >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: News: Stanford scholar tracks meditation's migration >from ancient monasteries to modern yoga > > > >What about the Heart and Diamond Sutras though? > > >Edgar > > > > >On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:21 PM, Bill! wrote: > > >>This is true in my experience. Most texts are written ABOUT zen masters, no >>BY zen masters. There are some notable exceptions, but for example Buddha >>himself left no writings (we know of). Neither did important zen masters like >>Joshu. And of course Jesus left no personal written teachings. >> >>...Bill! >> >>--- In [email protected], Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Not being able to read from those who have not written, this is your >>> understanding of 'zen masters'. Most do not write. With other forms of >>> Buddhism, same. Yet, there are more works than can easily be cataloged. >>> Also notice how much is written ABOUT such 'masters', and about Buddha - >>> and consider why this is so. >>> >>> K >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/2/2012 8:42 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: >>> > How come zen masters historically produced more words than any >>> > Buddhist sects did? >>> > Anthony >>> > >>> > *From:* Joe <desert_woodworker@...> >>> > *To:* [email protected] >>> > *Sent:* Saturday, 2 June 2012, 7:20 >>> > *Subject:* [Zen] Re: News: Stanford scholar tracks meditation's >>> > migration from ancient monasteries to modern yoga >>> > >>> > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, >>> > "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: >>> > >>> > > Zen is nothing about which anything can be said? >>> > >>> > Probably the less said the better. People get entangled or biased. >>> > >>> > We can talk about zen PRACTICE, though, and the more said, and the >>> > more practiced, the better. >>> > >>> > --Joe / Tucson >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> > > >
