i was under the impression that zen was the nitty gritty...all this
chatter...is this zen?
enlightenment ....... compassion .... all intertwined
chattering and endless mind games to prove who knows more than who and who is
compassionate and who is not... does this achieve enlightenment?
compassion is enlightenment..visa versa
no need to prove anything
once the light is switched on the darkness of ignorance vanished
mulching and turning the soil of compassion till it becomes a dry dusty
desert... is that the way?
the way just is
to "find" the way...seek yea not ...listen to the wind blowing and the grasses
singing
as they have always sung
if you do not hear their voices
turn off your chattering mind
breath deeply and listen with your heart
compassion is already there
it is a full stop.
merle
Hi K， The challenge for any communication is due to its sequential nature,
while Chan needs to be communicated in 10,000 ways at the same time. :-)
On 6/12/2012 8:55 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
>Appreciate that jm, as I didn't express it very well - or perhaps perfectly -
>as there was no intention/expectation - just the expression. ;)
>
>K
>
>On 6/12/2012 11:49 AM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote:
>
>>I like it, K. Yes, indeed. At the "center / beneath" of it all, just "ONE /
>>ALL". However we care to label it. "Categorization / filing / analyzing"
>>are just different "perspectives / descriptions /mental construct" of this
>>"inseparable oneness / integrated system"... jm
>>
>>On 6/12/2012 8:33 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
>>
>>>Yes, pointing to this can get in the way of their whole Bodhisattva dream.
>>>
>>>I'd go as far to say compassion is a side
effect/integral aspect of awakening. I'd say the
same of equanimity. All aspects of this
realization. In other words, it's not what someone
thinks it is.
>>>
>>>Compassion is not limited to some personal sense
of caring for others, or "do gooder" efforts, or
altruism. These may arise in/as compassionate
awareness, or in delusional self-serving ways. The
altruism bit being perhaps the point that raises
the most ire as there is much confusion, much
attachment to such "high" ideals. It should be
clear though that altruism has an agenda, it has
goals. It sees the world in terms of givers and
takers, seeking to change this for some specific
reason (good intentions and all that business) -
which is not selfless beyond their imagination.
>>>
>>>The short version. Caring arises for/in response
to. Compassion always with/as.
>>>
>>>When Buddha/Dharma/Sangha are seen as one, this is
realized as Enlightenment/Equanimity/Compassion -
aspects of realization/awakening. Nothing changes,
we simply realize (continually) this has never
not been so. Attaining nothing, thus everything.
>>>
>>>K
>>>
>>>On 6/11/2012 10:02 PM, Joe wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi, Kris,
>>>>
>>>>I tell you, it's good to have this point of
agreement. I cannot tell you how it's
surprised me at times when I made this point
in sangha discussions at several zendos over
four decades, just in passing, and have been
jumped on by irate newcomers, or folks who
have done a lot of "reading". Teachers,
whether male or female who were doing the
moderating, usually backed me up, but of
course tried also to keep the complainers in
the fold. I'm glad no one has jumped down my
throat here yet on this point! If it happens,
I'll let it go, but will appreciate that there
are at least two of us here who see it this
way. Really, as many as "two"? haha
>>>>
>>>>We must urge others not to "fake it", though.
Danger!
>>>>
>>>>Practice, practice, practice!, instead.
>>>>
>>>>(don't even THINK about compassion). ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Strong practice,
>>>>
>>>>--Joe
>>>>
>>>>> Kris quoted Joe, and wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> (Another thing, sometimes noted:
Compassion is not necessarily
>>>>>> something you FEEL, but it simply
operates; and, to say the least, it
>>>>>> is not always "sweetness-and-light").
>>>>
>>>>> Indeed!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
