Right; but a zen teacher would spur the student further, and apply the carrot 
or the stick as needed to help to occasion the quantum leap to the state of 
no-mind.

Literally the stick, you know.

It can be thought of as a carrot.  ;-)

--Joe

> Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote:
>
> No need to maintain or reject any form of experiencing.



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