the stick is a symbol as is the carrot...merle
  
I was not speaking of student seeking satori, or path leading to satori.  Path 
is formed of re-imagined past and fantasized future. I leave that to students 
on the path to realize.

As for a carrot and stick approach, it can lengthen the path.
      Encouragement gives hope, discouragement brings regret. One step
      forward, another back. For students too focused on progress, such
      lessons are easily mistaken as guidance rather than realized as a
      way to shake loose attachments to such false beliefs. 

K



On 7/2/2012 2:29 PM, Joe wrote:

  
>Right; but a zen teacher would spur the student further, and apply the carrot 
>or the stick as needed to help to occasion the quantum leap to the state of 
>no-mind.
>
>Literally the stick, you know.
>
>It can be thought of as a carrot. ;-)
>
>--Joe
>
>> Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote:
>>
>> No need to maintain or reject any form of
              experiencing.
>
>


 

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