On 8/30/2012 7:08 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
> Realization can't be attained by avoiding that effort...

Nor by engaging in such effort.

Should realization come after much apparent effort, it will naturally 
appear so. Should it come without effort, it will appear that efforts 
don't matter. A matter of great laughter, not great debate!

Realization attained, there is no attainment. Suchness cannot supplant 
suchness.

There are no mistakes in Zen, though Zen is often mistaken for this or that.

KG


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