bill i understand where you and edgar are coming from... edgar has a point and so do you... merle
JMJM, You sense correctly. I am trying to 'help' Merle by disagreeing with Edgar. It's the same as if Edgar told Merle to run out into the street without looking and I disagreed with his advice and told her so. I am not a teacher though and I've given up trying to intervene. Merle's a big girl and she's ultimately responsible for herself so she along can decide what's best for her. I'll still voice my disagreement with Edgar because I think his views on zen are misleading at best and counterproductive or outright detrimental at worst. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], 覺妙精明 （JMJM） <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > I sense Bill's continual insistence of his disagreement. Bill! is > attached to it. Especially when Bill! is trying so hard to "help" Merle > by disagreeing with Edgar. LOL > > :-) > > > On 9/5/2012 8:39 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: > > > > Kristopher, > > > > > > You keep making excuses for Bill!'s delusions! > > > > Disagreement is not "a form of suffering" unless you are attached to it... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > > > >> > >> Comfortably stuck in cause and effect, you ignore the sledgehammer! > >> > >> It appears to me that Bill! is not denying food is required to > >> maintain a body, that forms appear to maintain forms (no independent > >> origination) - he is denying this assumption of "have to" - this > >> neediness that goes with it. You don't need to live, and ultimately > >> won't (impermanence). When hungry, eat if you are able. When this is > >> perceived as need (AKA - lack), suffering will arise over your > >> ability to do so, over thoughts of death. Your needs, your sense of > >> lack, your suffering. > >> > >> Disagreement itself, a form of suffering. Misunderstanding, a form of > >> recognition. Same. > >> > >> KG > >> > >> On 9/5/2012 10:14 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: > >>> > >>> O, for God's sakes Bill!!!!! > >>> > >>> > >>> You are certifiable! I've never heard such metaphysical New Age > >>> nonsense and certainly never expected it to come from your lips..... > >>> Enlightened people don't need to eat! Sheesh! > >>> > >>> Edgar > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sep 5, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Bill! wrote: > >>> > >>>> Edgar (no longer and Merle), > >>>> > >>>> After enlightenment you do not have to eat. You realize food is not > >>>> essential. You may choose to eat, but you don't have to. > >>>> > >>>> Illusions do vanish upon realization of Buddha Nature. You may > >>>> choose to bring them back or they may reappear without your choice. > >>>> But after realizing Buddha Nature you know that all dualistic > >>>> thought is fundamentally illusion (not real). > >>>> > >>>> ...Bill! > >>>> > >> > >> > > > > >
