Mike, It is the Yahoo! Zen Forum, but the description describes it as Zen Buddhism. I tried to get that changed but was voted down.
Nice concise zazen instructions. I noticed however you threw a little rice gruel in the bowl with the '3 Characteristics of Existence'. I thought that was unnecessary, but that's just me. No harm, no foul I guess but I hope that doesn't dry out and stick to the sides of the bowl because it will also need to be cleaned out some day. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Bill!, > > > Isn't it the Zen BuddhistForum, at least by implication? Isn't it fair to > talk about comparisons? > > >ED, Just sit. Don't think. Just sit. > > But if you do find yourself thinking, just come back gently to the breath. > When you find your mind has become calm become mindful of how the breath (or > any bodily sensations) arises and passes. How it is that there is no 'you' > doing the breathing - rather the universe is breathing 'you'. Note how even > pleasant sensations eventually pass and more unpleasant, or neutral, > sensations take their place. With such mindfulness you may find you gain some > insight into the 3 Characteristics of existence: impermanence, non-self, and > the unsatisfactoriness of phenomena. With diligence and patience, you may > become liberated from suffering. > > > Not exactly pithy, I admit. And Zen is certainly direct in pointing to our > True Nature. But "wash your bowls", "just sit" and "Just This!" is also not > 'it' either. So if we're going to have instructions/guides, then there is > definitely a place for more descriptive ones (even tho the endgame will > always be that they are ultimately dropped). The method is NOT the meditation. > > > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 11:33 > Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > > Â > Mike, Point taken, but this is the Zen Forum, not the Theravada Forum or the > Here-Have-Some-More-Rice-Gruel Forum. > > ED, Just sit. Don't think. Just sit. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > Bill!, > > > > A great instruction, and is certainly direct, but Joshu's instructions were > > given to a monk who had probably been practicing meditation for a long time > > and was already 'ripe' for awakening to happen. Imagine how useful that > > instruction would be to a neophyte coming off the street asking about the > > search for truth or something similar. Joshu's instruction is just that - > > an instruction. That's why i believe Buddha's skilful means (upaya) is so > > useful as a teaching method. On the one side we can have the direct > > pointing to the Dharma (Zen) and on the other we can have Therevada > > Buddhism with it's more step by step instructions, such as following the > > Noble eightfold Path. > > > > The Buddha was very wise to understand that there are many different kinds > > of people/cultures/personalities etc. out there and no one method will work > > for all. I think it should be clear now that "wash you bowls" just isn't > > going to work for someone like ED. If you agree, what else could you say > > that might help him? > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 9:48 > > Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > > > > > ÃÂ > > ED, > > > > Mind if Joshu and I jump in? > > > > "WASH YOUR BOWLS!" That's how...Bill! (and Joshu) > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > And how is this magic trick accomplished? > > > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > > > Stop practicing and just BE your Buddha Nature! > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, although each of us is complete, we need to practice > > > > > diligently at all times with no objective in mind? > > > > > > > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe and Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'goal' of enlightenment to be achieved without which > > > you > > > > > imagine you are incomplete.... > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no incompleteness. This understanding is an essential > > > aspect > > > > > of realization... > > > > > > > > > > > > Wham! > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
