Kris, When you say it I prefer 'Suchness'.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote: > > "More" or less, misses the point again. > > There is nothing to do to realize this. There is only this experiencing. > 'You' and your 'experience(s)' of objects/events are but aspects of > this, arising and passing. Nothing could be simpler. > > Some realize this some don't. Doesn't change this. How could it [rhet]? > I realize you may only see and/or express this otherwise. Such is the > nature of appearances. Suchness ("Just this" if you prefer). > > KG > > > On 9/8/2012 12:11 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > Kris, > > > > More important than whether or not either of these personages actually > > existed or how accurate the [translated] 3rd-person accounts of what > > they did and what they said is that YOU EXPERIENCE what they are said > > to have experienced. > > > > And you can do that. I'm confident 10's of thousands or many more than > > that have. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote: > > > > > > On 9/7/2012 7:39 AM, mike brown wrote: > > > > There is a *big* difference between these stories of Buddha and > > > > Christ. With Buddha's story it makes no difference whether you > > believe > > > > Buddha was a real man or not... > > > > > > So one you accept more readily because you believe it to likely be > > > allegorical, the other you reject because you believe it claims to be a > > > factual historical account? Surely you can see the irony in this. > > > > > > Every consider both/neither? That it doesn't mater whether EITHER of > > > these are stories of actual/factual others or not - as they only point > > > to selfless realization, and reintegration/embodiment? That they're > > only > > > expressions of the way, and are not offering anyone else's > > > stories/practices/promises as things to cling to or reject? People take > > > that upon themselves. > > > > > > KG > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
