Bill! and Edgar, Some time ago, when Bill! told the same story with fervor, I proposed to take his laptop. Anthony
________________________________ From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 8 September 2012, 19:22 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA Bill, Sure, sure, and then the master caught pneumonia and died! The moral of the story is that cause and effect (it's actually consistency not cause and effect but to make it simpler) rules the world of forms.... And all your Zen matters not a whit to that! Edgar On Sep 8, 2012, at 4:38 AM, Bill! wrote: >Kris, > >"A Zen Master lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a >mountain. One evening, while he was away, a thief sneaked into the hut only to >find there was nothing in it to steal. The Zen Master returned and found him. >"You have come a long way to visit me," he told the prowler, "and you should >not return empty handed. Please take my clothes as a gift." The thief was >bewildered, but he took the clothes and ran away. The Master sat naked, >watching the moon. "Poor fellow," he mused, " I wish I could give him this >beautiful moon." > >...Bill! > >--- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote: >> >> Either way, makes me out to be a thief. ;) >> >> >> Silence cannot be shared, so we interrupt it with talking so as not to >> appear rude. >> >> >> KG >> >> >> >> On 9/8/2012 1:13 AM, Bill! wrote: >> > >> > Kris, >> > >> > When you say it I prefer 'Suchness'. >> > >> > ...Bill! >> > >> > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, >> > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote: >> > > >> > > "More" or less, misses the point again. >> > > >> > > There is nothing to do to realize this. There is only this >> > experiencing. >> > > 'You' and your 'experience(s)' of objects/events are but aspects of >> > > this, arising and passing. Nothing could be simpler. >> > > >> > > Some realize this some don't. Doesn't change this. How could it [rhet]? >> > > I realize you may only see and/or express this otherwise. Such is the >> > > nature of appearances. Suchness ("Just this" if you prefer). >> > > >> > > KG >> > > >> > > >> > > On 9/8/2012 12:11 AM, Bill! wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Kris, >> > > > >> > > > More important than whether or not either of these personages >> > actually >> > > > existed or how accurate the [translated] 3rd-person accounts of what >> > > > they did and what they said is that YOU EXPERIENCE what they are said >> > > > to have experienced. >> > > > >> > > > And you can do that. I'm confident 10's of thousands or many more >> > than >> > > > that have. >> > > > >> > > > ...Bill! >> > > > >> > > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, >> > > > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > On 9/7/2012 7:39 AM, mike brown wrote: >> > > > > > There is a *big* difference between these stories of Buddha and >> > > > > > Christ. With Buddha's story it makes no difference whether you >> > > > believe >> > > > > > Buddha was a real man or not... >> > > > > >> > > > > So one you accept more readily because you believe it to likely be >> > > > > allegorical, the other you reject because you believe it claims >> > to be a >> > > > > factual historical account? Surely you can see the irony in this. >> > > > > >> > > > > Every consider both/neither? That it doesn't mater whether EITHER of >> > > > > these are stories of actual/factual others or not - as they only >> > point >> > > > > to selfless realization, and reintegration/embodiment? That they're >> > > > only >> > > > > expressions of the way, and are not offering anyone else's >> > > > > stories/practices/promises as things to cling to or reject? >> > People take >> > > > > that upon themselves. >> > > > > >> > > > > KG >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >
