Merle, Of course you can use the word 'suffering'. Actually the word 'suffering' is also used in plain English to just mean feeling pain, especially over long periods.
The 'suffering' I was talking about in previous posts was the way the term is used in the Buddhist mental model. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > >  bill,,,thank you...working on it...still with much discomfort and  hence > suffering..dare i use the word...merle > >  > Merle, > > I hope your visit to the doctors is successful and can bring you some relief > to your pain...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ài have to call it a day... it's 8:30pm..tues...big day 2 morrow to sort > > out my bladder..play tomorrow...enjoy your day bill...cheers merle > > > > > > à> > Merle, > > > > Play 'Drop the Biblical Quote and Then Run Away and Hide'. > > > > My question to you was "According to Christianity what was the 'purpose' or > > 'achievement' of Jesus' life (and death)?" > > > > I'll give you a hint. It has to do with 'sin'. > > > > Tag! You're it! ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâàplay what.?..i did not know it was a game...merle > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > Merle, > > > > > > Was that an answer to my question, or just a 'I don't want to play > > > anymore'? > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàhail mary!...merle > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > Yes! A sinless human. > > > > > > > > I thought you knew something about the 'mental model' of Christianity. > > > > According to Christianity what was the 'purpose' or 'achievement' of > > > > Jesus' life (and death)? That's the whole point of Christianity! > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàjesus bill then you are a > > > > > bloody saint!...a sinless human being..lordy be... what an > > > > > achievement!..merle > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > I never said I was the 'second Christ'. I said 'I was without sin'. > > > > > I was YOU that suggested I was the 'second coming'... > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàhang > > > > > > on bill... you said you were the second christ..did i mis judge > > > > > > you?..merle > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only ONE 'Christ' - like there is only ONE 'Buddha' and > > > > > > only ONE 'Buddha Nature'. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââ¬Â 'ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦ÃâáÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàwell > > > > > > > said KG...is romney thinking he is the second christ?... merle > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââ¬Â 'ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦ÃâáÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all are "the second coming of Christ [not of Jesus - but of > > > > > > > "Christ"].ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââ¬Â 'ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦ÃâáÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > Teaching point to realization. We all have/are the potential to > > > > > > > realize this - for this to be realized - all have/are Buddha > > > > > > > nature - to awaken to (call it what you like). That's the point > > > > > > > of the teachings. Otherwise why come to teach the 'first' time? > > > > > > > Applies to equally Jesus' or Buddha's story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole 'give a man a fish/teach a man to fish' schtick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely you have always realized this?! *L* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/10/2012 8:49 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââ¬Â 'ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦ÃâáÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââ¬Â 'ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦ÃâáÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàchrist > > > > > > > > we have found him..bill is the second coming!...merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââ¬Â 'ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆ'ââ¬Â¦ÃâáÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In one of your posts a long time ago and far, > > > > > > > far away (that means I couldn't find > > > > > > > it) you > > > > > > > castigated me for stating that > > > > > > > Christians and > > > > > > > Muslims did bad things during the > > > > > > > Crusades in > > > > > > > the name of their religions. You used a > > > > > > > quote > > > > > > > of Jesus from the Bible and I think it > > > > > > > was: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Let him who is without sin among you be the > > > > > > > first to throw a stone... - John 8:7 > > > > > > > (English > > > > > > > Standard Version) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have already stated in an early post (an > > > > > > > even longer time ago and further away) > > > > > > > that I > > > > > > > considered myself pretty knowledgeable > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > Christianity and very knowledgeable > > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > teaching of Jesus. I didn't respond to > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > part of your post at that time because I > > > > > > > didn't consider this quote really > > > > > > > relevant to > > > > > > > our discussion, but I would like to > > > > > > > respond > > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am without sin so would be eligible to throw > > > > > > > stones if and when the situation calls > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! 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