"We ... stage violent protests including self-immolation, then take up arms against the 'oppressor'?"
That would be something to see. B Find what makes your heart sing…and do it! ________________________________ From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, September 18, 2012 9:28:06 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] invasion Merle, So what would you suggest? We complain, and then stage violent protests including self-immolation, then take up arms against the 'oppressor'? "Come all ye young rebels, and list while I sing, For the love of one's country is a terrible thing. It banishes fear with the speed of a flame, And it makes us all part of the patriot game." - Dominic Behan ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  just because the social system of tibet is backward does not give the > chinese >the right to set in...the tibetian people can do the reforming..china is about >invasion and expansion...i do not believe they are concerned about helping >reform... that is secondary and the han people will breed and take over what >was >once a unique culture... yes it is an old story...the invasion and the rule by >force of those who are in their own country and too weak to fight back...but >that does not make it right and just..and do we throw our hands up in the air >and gaze into space thinking "oh well,..such is life".... ????? merle >  > Israel is the result of invasion by Jewish people into the land of Arabs. Is > it >justified? Should the Kurds get an independent country? Furthermore, how about >Australian aborigines and American Indians? Based on language and ethnicity, >Indonesia should be broken up into a hundred countries. We had better let >politics run their courses. > > > Discussion makes little sense here, unless we find real atrocities committed. >You can say the horrible crimes of the Tibetan theocracy is Chinese >propaganda, >because you don't see them. I don't see them either, however, the social >system >ruled by previous Dalais were rather backward, which is almost certain. It is >more wholesome to discuss whether the Tibetan Tantra is part of Buddhism. > >  > While I keep an open mind, I have found the following facts conspicuous: >  > - The Tibetan sex yoga, against Sakymuni's teaching that sex is a drag on >advancement toward enlighenment. That is not saying it should be banned for >lay >people. >  > - The reincarnation practice that leads to Dalais, Panchens, Karmapas etc > to >be discovered as the reincarnates of their predecessors, to be worshipped like >gods. Some go to the length of drinking their urine and bathwater (not for the >Dalai's test). >  > - Visualization and worship of all kinds of horrifying deities, in contrast > to >the original Buddhism, which recognizes the their existence, but claims they >have their limitations. >  > etc. >  > Anthony > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 19:14 > Subject: [Zen] invasion > > >  > > >  mike i am with you 100%....merle >  > Wow, haven't been on the net for a few days and too many posts to catch up > on, >so I've skim read thru them. My apologies if I don't immediately respond to >posts specifically addressed to me. I'd like to address this post tho. > > > Bill!. I notice you've always had this almost pathological hatred of the > Dalai >lama and I've never understood why. Your view of him is completely at odds >with >mine, and considering we usually hold similar views, I'm baffled as to why. I >see a man who says there shouldn't be hatred directed at the colonising >Chinese, >that he's not calling for an independent Tibet, but that it should have some >autonomy, and who exudes Happiness even tho he's seen his land, people and >culture decimated by outside political forces (remembering too that the west >did >nothing about the invasion of Tibet for decades). What's not to like about the >man? > > Also, I think there's a big difference regarding views on nationalism if > you're >from a powerful state compared to one which is politically and/or culturally >threatened by a more powerful neighbour. Should we in Wales just "accept" that >our language and traditions our being eroded by English dominance? Should >Native Americans and Australians just "accept" their position brought about by >colonising powers? > > > > Personally, I think a lot of the criticism directed to the Dalai Lama comes >from western cynicism and is not a true reflection of the man himself. > > Mike > > Ps I lived in Yangzhou (between Shanghai and Nanjing) for several months >teaching English. I liked China and the Chinese, but I don't understand how >you >could say that Tibet is China. It's like saying the Aborigines in Western >Australia (who didn't see a white man for another 50 years) automatically >became >British subjects in the act of planting a Union Flag on the Sydney foreshore. > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 10:41 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > >  > > >  I disagree...merle > > >  > Merle, > > If you've been to China you've been to Tibet. Tibet is part of China...Bill! > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > >  anthony ... i am estonian...i know the ropes > >  the tibetans want to rule their own section... so what...?.... why > > cannot >they?...there are many minorities in china... > >  been to china anthony? > > been to tibet? > > merle > >  > > Merle, > >  > > No way China will give up the strategically important Tibet. Estonians are > > a >completely different race than Russians. But Tibetans are from the same >language >family as the Han Chinese. What they do is only simplify the pronunciation >from 'rdzogt tschen' to 'dzog chen'. > > >  > > Anthony > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > To: "mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com"; > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 15:23 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > >  > > > > > >  have you been to china bill!..i have been 3 times...the han chinese are >the majority > > > > .. why are you attacking the Dalai lama?///// i know about tibet and the >oppressive feudal regime...however i think you'd have to actually go to tibet >to >witness what is going on...the han chinese are flooding tibet...is that >good?...estonia my home country was > invaded by the russians in world war 2 and thanks to the allies the russians >were "given " the baltic states...so estonia was governed by the kremlin and >the >russians flooded into estonia... since independence it is madatory that one >can >speak estonian in order to claim estonian citizenship( the russians would not >learn the language..and the official language when the russians were in power >was russian...it's not fun bill!..being overlorded by another country...so i >say >if the tibet wish to run their own country...then they should do so and change >to modernise through that not have it imposed upon them by the han chinese... >merle > > > > > >  > > Bill!, > >  > > Your remarks and quotes will make the great zombie lying in Tiananmen > > Square >happy. But he would say, 'not enough, what I did dwarfs them'. > >  > > Anthony > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 10:00 > > Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > > WOMAN LIKE CATTLE (and a lot of other information) > > > > "Tibetan Buddhism has a legacy of violence, hypocrisy, sexism, > > institutional >sexual abuse, homophobia and religious rule by a dictator said to be a living >god (the Dalai Lama) - all so the idle monk lifestyle could be supported by a >feudal system of peasants who gave over half their labor/possessions. Although >Chinese rule has been oppressive for the ruling Lamaist class and its >defenders, >is there ANY evidence to suggest that going back to rule of a feudal God-King >would be better than the current system? Has ANY dictator ever ruled to the >benefit of "his" people?" > > Source > - http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/277073.shtml > > > > I hope these will suffice as 'evidence' of my opinions.  There are lots >and lots of other sites and you can find them yourself by Binging >or Goggling. > > > > ...Bill! > > >
