Merle! Merle! I don't know. Your post below suggested you thought just 'throwing up your hands' was not adequate...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  bill! bill!..would i take up arms?..merle >  > Merle, > > So what would you suggest? We complain, and then stage violent protests > including self-immolation, then take up arms against the 'oppressor'? > > "Come all ye young rebels, and list while I sing, > For the love of one's country is a terrible thing. > It banishes fear with the speed of a flame, > And it makes us all part of the patriot game." - Dominic Behan > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > àjust because the social system of tibet is backward does not give the > > chinese the right to set in...the tibetian people can do the > > reforming..china is about invasion and expansion...i do not believe they > > are concerned about helping reform... that is secondary and the han people > > will breed and take over what was once a unique culture... yes it is an old > > story...the invasion and the rule by force of those who are in their own > > country and too weak to fight back...but that does not make it right and > > just..and do we throw our hands up in the air and gaze into space thinking > > "oh well,..such is life".... ????? merle > > à> > Israel is the result of invasion by Jewish people into the land of Arabs. > > Is it justified? Should the Kurds get an independent country? Furthermore, > > how about Australian aborigines and American Indians? Based on language and > > ethnicity, Indonesia should be broken up into a hundred countries. We had > > better let politics run their courses. > > > > Discussion makes little sense here, unless we find real atrocities > > committed. You can say the horrible crimes of the Tibetan theocracy is > > Chinese propaganda, because you don't see them. I don't see them either, > > however, the social system ruled by previous Dalais were rather backward, > > which is almost certain. It is more wholesome to discuss whether the > > Tibetan Tantra is part of Buddhism. > > à> > While I keep an open mind, I have found the following facts conspicuous: > > à> > - The Tibetan sex yoga, against Sakymuni's teaching that sex is a drag on > > advancement toward enlighenment. That is not saying it should be banned for > > lay people. > > à> > -àThe reincarnation practice that leads to Dalais, Panchens, Karmapas > > etc to be discovered as the reincarnates of their predecessors, to be > > worshipped like gods. Some go to the length of drinking their urine and > > bathwater (not for the Dalai's test). > > à> > - Visualization and worship of all kinds of horrifying deities, in contrast > > to the original Buddhism, which recognizes the their existence, but claims > > they have their limitations. > > à> > etc. > > à> > Anthony > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 19:14 > > Subject: [Zen] invasion > > > > > > à> > > > > > àmike i am with you 100%....merle > > à> > Wow, haven't been on the net for a few days and too many posts to catch up > > on, so I've skim read thru them. My apologies if I don't immediately > > respond to posts specifically addressed to me. I'd like to address this > > post tho. > > > > > > Bill!. I notice you've always had this almost pathological hatred of the > > Dalai lama and I've never understood why. Your view of him is completely at > > odds with mine, and considering we usually hold similar views, I'm baffled > > as to why. I see a man who says there shouldn't be hatred directed at the > > colonising Chinese, that he's not calling for an independent Tibet, but > > that it should have some autonomy, and who exudes Happiness even tho he's > > seen his land, people and culture decimated by outside political forces > > (remembering too that the west did nothing about the invasion of Tibet for > > decades). What's not to like about the man? > > > > Also, I think there's a big difference regarding views on nationalism if > > you're from a powerful state compared to one which is politically and/or > > culturally threatened by a more powerful neighbour. Should we in Wales just > > "accept" that our language and traditions our being eroded by Englishà> > dominance? Should Native Americans and Australians just "accept" their > > position brought about by colonising powers? > > > > > > Personally, I think a lot of the criticism directed to the Dalai Lama comes > > from western cynicism and is not a true reflection of the man himself. > > > > Mike > > > > Ps I lived in Yangzhou (between Shanghai and Nanjing) for several months > > teaching English. I liked China and the Chinese, but I don't understand how > > you could say that Tibet is China. It's like saying the Aborigines in > > Western Australia (who didn't see a white man for another 50 years) > > automatically became British subjects in the act of planting a Union Flag > > on the Sydney foreshore. > > > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 10:41 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > à> > > > > > àI disagree...merle > > > > > > à> > Merle, > > > > If you've been to China you've been to Tibet. Tibet is part of China...Bill! > > > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâàanthony ... i am estonian...i know the ropes > > > Ãâàthe tibetans want to rule their own section... so what...?.... > > > why cannot they?...there are many minorities in china... > > > Ãâàbeen to china anthony?Ãâà> > > been to tibet? > > > merle > > > Ãâà> > > Merle, > > > Ãâà> > > No way China will give up the strategically important Tibet. Estonians > > > are a completely different race than Russians. But Tibetans are from the > > > same language family as the Han Chinese. What they do is only simplify > > > the pronunciation fromÃâà'rdzogt tschen' to 'dzog chen'. > > > > > Ãâà> > > Anthony > > > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > > To: "mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com"; > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 15:23 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > Ãâàhave you been to china bill!..i have been 3 times...the han > > > chinese are the majority > > > > > > .. why are you attacking the Dalai lama?///// i know about tibet and the > > > oppressive feudal regime...however i think you'd have to actually go to > > > tibet to witness what is going on...the han chinese are flooding > > > tibet...is that good?...estonia my home country was > > invaded by the russians in world war 2 and thanks to the allies the > > russians were "given " the baltic states...so estonia was governed by the > > kremlin and the russians flooded into estonia... since independence it is > > madatory that one can speak estonian in order to claim estonian > > citizenship( the russians would not learn the language..and the official > > language when the russians were in power was russian...it's not fun > > bill!..being overlorded by another country...so i say if the tibet wish to > > run their own country...then they should do so and change to modernise > > through that not have it imposed upon them by the han chinese... merle > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > Bill!, > > > Ãâà> > > Your remarks and quotes will make the great zombie lying in Tiananmen > > > Square happy. But he would say, 'not enough, what I did dwarfs them'. > > > Ãâà> > > Anthony > > > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 10:00 > > > Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOMAN LIKE CATTLE (and a lot of other information) > > > > > > "Tibetan Buddhism has a legacy of violence, hypocrisy, sexism, > > > institutional sexual abuse, homophobia and religious rule by a dictator > > > said to be a living god (the Dalai Lama) - all so the idle monk lifestyle > > > could be supported by a feudal system of peasants who gave over half > > > their labor/possessions. Although Chinese rule has been oppressive for > > > the ruling Lamaist class and its defenders, is there ANY evidence to > > > suggest that going back to rule of a feudal God-King would be better than > > > the current system? Has ANY dictator ever ruled to the benefit of "his" > > > people?" > > > Source > > -Ãâàhttp://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/277073.shtmlÃâà> > > > > > I hope these will suffice as 'evidence' of my opinions. ÃâàThere > > > are lots and lots of other sites and you can find them yourself by > > > Binging orÃâàGoggling. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
