Mike, Yangzhou is not china, because 2,000 years ago, they were conquered by the Qin emperor and forced to give up their language and culture to adopt the unified Qin system. Next time you go there again, don't eat the river dolphin, which is deadly poisonous. Anthony
________________________________ From: mike brown <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 18:25 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA Wow, haven't been on the net for a few days and too many posts to catch up on, so I've skim read thru them. My apologies if I don't immediately respond to posts specifically addressed to me. I'd like to address this post tho. Bill!. I notice you've always had this almost pathological hatred of the Dalai lama and I've never understood why. Your view of him is completely at odds with mine, and considering we usually hold similar views, I'm baffled as to why. I see a man who says there shouldn't be hatred directed at the colonising Chinese, that he's not calling for an independent Tibet, but that it should have some autonomy, and who exudes Happiness even tho he's seen his land, people and culture decimated by outside political forces (remembering too that the west did nothing about the invasion of Tibet for decades). What's not to like about the man? Also, I think there's a big difference regarding views on nationalism if you're from a powerful state compared to one which is politically and/or culturally threatened by a more powerful neighbour. Should we in Wales just "accept" that our language and traditions our being eroded by English dominance? Should Native Americans and Australians just "accept" their position brought about by colonising powers? Personally, I think a lot of the criticism directed to the Dalai Lama comes from western cynicism and is not a true reflection of the man himself. Mike Ps I lived in Yangzhou (between Shanghai and Nanjing) for several months teaching English. I liked China and the Chinese, but I don't understand how you could say that Tibet is China. It's like saying the Aborigines in Western Australia (who didn't see a white man for another 50 years) automatically became British subjects in the act of planting a Union Flag on the Sydney foreshore. ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 10:41 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA I disagree...merle Merle, If you've been to China you've been to Tibet. Tibet is part of China...Bill! --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  anthony ... i am estonian...i know the ropes >  the tibetans want to rule their own section... so what...?.... why cannot > they?...there are many minorities in china... >  been to china anthony? > been to tibet? > merle >  > Merle, >  > No way China will give up the strategically important Tibet. Estonians are a > completely different race than Russians. But Tibetans are from the same > language family as the Han Chinese. What they do is only simplify the > pronunciation from 'rdzogt tschen' to 'dzog chen'. >  > Anthony > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> > To: "mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com"; <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 15:23 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > >  > > >  have you been to china bill!..i have been 3 times...the han chinese are the > majority > > .. why are you attacking the Dalai lama?///// i know about tibet and the > oppressive feudal regime...however i think you'd have to actually go to tibet > to witness what is going on...the han chinese are flooding tibet...is that > good?...estonia my home country was invaded by the russians in world war 2 > and thanks to the allies the russians were "given " the baltic states...so > estonia was governed by the kremlin and the russians flooded into estonia... > since independence it is madatory that one can speak estonian in order to > claim estonian citizenship( the russians would not learn the language..and > the official language when the russians were in power was russian...it's not > fun bill!..being overlorded by another country...so i say if the tibet wish > to run their own country...then they should do so and change to modernise > through that not have it imposed upon them by the han chinese... merle > > >  > Bill!, >  > Your remarks and quotes will make the great zombie lying in Tiananmen Square > happy. But he would say, 'not enough, what I did dwarfs them'. >  > Anthony > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 10:00 > Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > WOMAN LIKE CATTLE (and a lot of other information) > > "Tibetan Buddhism has a legacy of violence, hypocrisy, sexism, institutional > sexual abuse, homophobia and religious rule by a dictator said to be a living > god (the Dalai Lama) - all so the idle monk lifestyle could be supported by a > feudal system of peasants who gave over half their labor/possessions. > Although Chinese rule has been oppressive for the ruling Lamaist class and > its defenders, is there ANY evidence to suggest that going back to rule of a > feudal God-King would be better than the current system? Has ANY dictator > ever ruled to the benefit of "his" people?" > Source - http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/277073.shtml > > I hope these will suffice as 'evidence' of my opinions.  There are lots and > lots of other sites and you can find them yourself by Binging or Goggling. > > ...Bill! >
