Merle, Ha! That will be the day when I get emotional over internet chatter...
My CAPITALIZATION is for emphasis, not for SHOUTING! If I weren't so lazy I'd compose my posts with Rich-Text so I could underline. In lieu of that I CAPITALIZE. Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  bill!..we are discussing a concept... stay on task...you are getting > emotional and not listening...merle >  > Merle, > > What are you saying? YOU'RE the one who said you would be coming to MY > HOUSE. I'm not invading the space of anyone (unless you're standing too > close to me when I self-immolate)...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > àreally..a bit drastic..i was under the impression you were "happy" > > invading the space of others?..merle > > > > > > à> > Merle, > > > > If you did that I might douse myself in gasoline and light myself on fire! > > That would show you a thing or two! > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâàbill..it's not nationalism as such it's culture...we all have a > > > "right" to be who we are...imposing another way of being on another is > > > invasion...all must be respected...how would you like it if i flew over > > > to your house said right i'm staying and started making the > > > rules...eh?merle > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > Mike, > > > > > > I disliked the Dalai Lama's attempts at being both a political and > > > religious leader - especially if a Buddhist. (Like I said before he > > > actually was/is not a Buddhist but a 'Lamaist' (one who follows Lamaism). > > > I guess you could stretch that into being a sub-set or sect of Buddhism > > > but for me that's a bridge too far. Of course that's coming from someone > > > who doesn't see 'zen' as exclusively as sub-set or sect of Buddhism.) > > > > > > Nationalism is nationalism for me. I don't see how it makes any > > > difference if you're the larger or smaller nation. It's all problematic. > > > > > > I see the Chinese trying to drag a province of their country into the > > > 21st century by trying to dispel and unseat a superstition-based > > > theocracy that kept the vast majority of their people living in serfdom > > > and ignorance. > > > > > > As a political leader the Dalai Lama has every right to resist this. As > > > a religious leader I think his responsibility was to tend to his people's > > > religious needs, not support and even fuel their attachments > > > (nationalism). These two roles did not mesh well, IMO. > > > > > > I think now that he's relinquished his political role I might be able to > > > warm up to him - maybe. As long as he doesn't keep encouraging his > > > people and his clergy to continue seditious acts - like self-immolation. > > > What's up with that? > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow, haven't been on the net for a few days and too many posts to catch > > > > up on, so I've skim read thru them. My apologies if I don't immediately > > > > respond to posts specifically addressed to me. I'd like to address this > > > > post tho. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill!. I notice you've always had this almost pathological hatred of > > > > the Dalai lama and I've never understood why. Your view of him is > > > > completely at odds with mine, and considering we usually hold similar > > > > views, I'm baffled as to why. I see a man who says there shouldn't be > > > > hatred directed at the colonising Chinese, that he's not calling for an > > > > independent Tibet, but that it should have some autonomy, and who > > > > exudes Happiness even tho he's seen his land, people and culture > > > > decimated by outside political forces (remembering too that the west > > > > did nothing about the invasion of Tibet for decades). What's not to > > > > like about the man? > > > > > > > > Also, I think there's a big difference regarding views on nationalism > > > > if you're from a powerful state compared to one which is politically > > > > and/or culturally threatened by a more powerful neighbour. Should we in > > > > Wales just "accept" that our language and traditions our being eroded > > > > by EnglishÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàdominance? Should Native Americans and > > > > Australians just "accept" their position brought about by colonising > > > > powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I think a lot of the criticism directed to the Dalai Lama > > > > comes from western cynicism and is not a true reflection of the man > > > > himself. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Ps I lived in Yangzhou (between Shanghai and Nanjing) for several > > > > months teaching English. I liked China and the Chinese, but I don't > > > > understand how you could say that Tibet is China. It's like saying the > > > > Aborigines in Western Australia (who didn't see a white man for another > > > > 50 years) automatically became British subjects in the act of planting > > > > a Union Flag on the Sydney foreshore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 10:41 > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàI disagree...merle > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > If you've been to China you've been to Tibet. Tibet is part of > > > > China...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàanthony ... i am > > > > > estonian...i know the ropes > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàthe tibetans want to rule > > > > > their own section... so what...?.... why cannot they?...there are > > > > > many minorities in china... > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàbeen to china > > > > > anthony?ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > been to tibet? > > > > > merle > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > Merle, > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > No way China will give up the strategically important Tibet. > > > > > Estonians are a completely different race than Russians. But Tibetans > > > > > are from the same language family as the Han Chinese. What they do is > > > > > only simplify the pronunciation > > > > > fromÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà'rdzogt tschen' to > > > > > 'dzog chen'. > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > > > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 15:23 > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàhave you been to china > > > > > bill!..i have been 3 times...the han chinese are the majority > > > > > > > > > > .. why are you attacking the Dalai lama?///// i know about tibet and > > > > > the oppressive feudal regime...however i think you'd have to actually > > > > > go to tibet to witness what is going on...the han chinese are > > > > > flooding tibet...is that good?...estonia my home country was invaded > > > > > by the russians in world war 2 and thanks to the allies the russians > > > > > were "given " the baltic states...so estonia was governed by the > > > > > kremlin and the russians flooded into estonia... since independence > > > > > it is madatory that one can speak estonian in order to claim estonian > > > > > citizenship( the russians would not learn the language..and the > > > > > official language when the russians were in power was russian...it's > > > > > not fun bill!..being overlorded by another country...so i say if the > > > > > tibet wish to run their own country...then they should do so and > > > > > change to modernise through that not have it imposed upon them by the > > > > > han chinese... merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > Bill!, > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > Your remarks and quotes will make the great zombie lying in Tiananmen > > > > > Square happy. But he would say, 'not enough, what I did dwarfs them'. > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 10:00 > > > > > Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOMAN LIKE CATTLE (and a lot of other information) > > > > > > > > > > "Tibetan Buddhism has a legacy of violence, hypocrisy, sexism, > > > > > institutional sexual abuse, homophobia and religious rule by a > > > > > dictator said to be a living god (the Dalai Lama) - all so the idle > > > > > monk lifestyle could be supported by a feudal system of peasants who > > > > > gave over half their labor/possessions. Although Chinese rule has > > > > > been oppressive for the ruling Lamaist class and its defenders, is > > > > > there ANY evidence to suggest that going back to rule of a feudal > > > > > God-King would be better than the current system? Has ANY dictator > > > > > ever ruled to the benefit of "his" people?" > > > > > Source > > > > > -ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàhttp://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/277073.shtmlÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > I hope these will suffice as 'evidence' of my opinions. > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàThere are lots and lots of > > > > > other sites and you can find them yourself by Binging > > > > > orÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàGoggling. > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
