if you can recall..or google if you do not believe me..john lennon went to an art gallery to see the work of yoko ono..there was a ladder he climbed and on the ceiling written in small small writing was the word yes...,,,, he climbed down from the ladder and relationship of him an yoko was cemented.... he had not met her before....if memory serves me correct...merle
Kris calls it 'suchness'. I call it 'Just THIS!'. JMJM calls it 'As Is'. It appears both Merle and James Joyce call it 'Yes Yes Yes'. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > thank you.... yes yes yes yes...merle > > >  > Hi Merle, You probably don't. Many of us still do. All forms exist for > a reason. Just some of us don't know. That's called delusion. Some may > argue, no need to know, then we are back to square one, which is what you > stated, everything is right in front of us. KG calls it suchness. Bill > calls is Just This. I call it As Is. Maybe a little different in the > original definition, but close enough. Who really cares? :-) > > We are all merely pointing... point... point... point... not > outward, but inward... always outside in.. > > Enjoy... > > > On 9/21/2012 2:31 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > >  > > > > > > > >JM.... why would we pick and choose in the mud.? > > > > > >.all that we see hear and touch is there and there is always more than > >enough.. > > > > > >.merle > > > > > > > >Well Merle. Nicely said. Also sounds simple and wunderbar. For a lotus > >to blossom however, lots of mud is needed. If we pick and choose in the > >mud, there will be insufficient nutrients. :-) > > > > > > > >On 9/21/2012 2:18 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>JM...yes yes yes open the heart and the lotus will be there....... merle > >> > >> > >> > >>Indeed, KG. Thank you. > >> > >>We use the following > instructions -- "Focus and not > focus. Observe all and > every." Then you see the > wisdom in all. > >> > >>Even during chakra focusing, > it is not a mental focusing. > We need to relax the mind, in > order to sense with our > heart. Heart is where our > spirit reside. Pure heart > means pure awareness. > >> > >>Again, a few people, such as > Anthony or Bill may "disagree" > as usual.   :-)    It's > actually an experience and not a dogma. > >> > >>Newest translation of an old > saying(probably version 7), of > this phrase from Buddha, "Cast > not in words. Transmit beyond > teaching." > >> > >>BTW, my team is working on > translating "Practice and > Witness Diamond Sutra" from > our Shifu. I know. I know. > It's courageous. If there is > any online version of Diamond > Sutra you sync with, please > share with me. Much obliged. > >> > >>jm > >> > >> > >>On 9/21/2012 9:18 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > >> > >> > >>> > >>>When we think of > 'mindfulness', we may > think of not being > distracted, but > distraction fills the mind > just as effectively. > Silence, is the ultimate > distraction. > >>> > >>>Concentration or > distraction, different in > form only. Both are > moments of attention to > this and not that, in that > moment, then gone. Effort > applied to cultivate > mindfulness is often > merely a distraction from > distractions. Mindfulness > presents formlessly in all > forms. Attempts to be > mindful, to wrest it from > the rest, naturally will > fail to grasp this. > >>> > >>>Concentration cannot free > the mind, distraction > cannot hold it. Thoughts > come and go effortlessly. > This is not a problem. > Following them or ignoring > them, grasping and > rejecting them - in > relation to self - reveals > ordinary mind's habitual > ignorance of Original > mind. > >>> > >>>Mindfulness allows > dis-tractions to serve as > reminders not to seek > traction. > >>> > >>>KG > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On 9/21/2012 1:51 AM, > Anthony Wu wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Bill!, > >>>> > >>>>Some guests are stubborn. You can tell them you are busy or write down > >>>>what they want, they still insist on sitting on your sofa and making tea > >>>>out of your teapot. Master Seung Sahn has a koan where a burly man keeps > >>>>dropping ash on a Buddha image, and nothing can dissuage them. He is also > >>>>strong that there is no way you or your family can beat him. What should > >>>>you do? I have not had the answer to this koan. > >>>> > >>>>Anthony > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > >>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012, 9:40 > >>>>Subject: Re: [Zen] invasion > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Anthony, > >>>> > >>>>I was always > told to just > let the > thoughts 'flow > through you', > acknowledge > them but then > let them go. > The teaching > analogy that > went with this > is 'when > you're busy > working in > your house and > someone comes > and knocks on > your door, > acknowledge > them but tell > them you're > busy and ask > them to come > back later. > Don't invite > them in for > tea and a > conversation.' > >>>> > >>>>Some zen > practitioners > I know suggest > keeping a > notebook and > pen/pencil > near you when > you meditate. > That way if a > thought comes > that you just > cannot get rid > of you can > write it down, > and then can > go back to > meditating > with the > assurance you > will attend to > the thought > later. > >>>> > >>>>I've never > done that nor > felt the need > to do that, > but it might > be worth a try > if these > thoughts/questions > are keeping > you from > meditating. > >>>> > >>>>...Bill! > >>>> > >>>>--- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> KG, > >>>>>  > >>>>> Some say > you should not > suppress > questions when > you meditate, > but let them > come and go. > Well they come > here to stay. > It takes time > and effort to > make them > disappear. > >>>>>  > >>>>> Anthony > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > ________________________________ > >>>>> From: > Kristopher > Grey <kris@> > >>>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > >>>>> Sent: > Thursday, 20 > September > 2012, 9:38 > >>>>> Subject: > Re: [Zen] > invasion > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>  > >>>>> Same > problem is > created by > attachment to > thinking > "well" applies > to meditation! > *L* > >>>>> > >>>>> Your > "tip", perhaps > pointier than > it may appear! > ;) > >>>>> > >>>>> KG > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On > 9/19/2012 6:09 > PM, Anthony Wu > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>  > >>>>> > >Merle, > >>>>> > > >>>>> >I > give yo a tip. > If you always > want questions > to be > answered, you > can never > meditate well. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >Anthony > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
