Joe, Thanks for your explanation of 'conditioned-arising'. In it you start with the a base assumption that "Because things always consist of material, or energy, that came together to form or cause them, they are not themselves, but consist instead of these other disparate things,...". Why do you accept this a priori?
...Bill! --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > Bill!, > > There's the Buddhist theme of "conditioned-arising". > > Hetu-pratyaya. > > I believe that's our same "cause-and-effect". A little the same. > > This is a theme that helps in the (intellectual or logical) understanding of > selflessness. Because things always consist of material, or energy, that > came together to form or cause them, they are not themselves, but consist > instead of these other disparate things, ...which themselves are not > themselves, but are made and caused by yet other things previously, an so on > down to the last Turtle. ;-) > > As, a flower is made of non-FLOWER elements (water, Calcium, Phosphorus, > polysaccharides, etc., just guessing). > > So, that's conditioned-arising, hetu-pratyaya. Maybe exactly our > cause-and-effect? > > I see a relation to the "Karma", you mention, or its so-called Law. But > karma is often taken to apply to the actions of Beings, whereas hetu-pratyaya > seems more general, and applies to *ALL CHANGE* anywhere. > > An appreciation of hetu-pratyaya can gives, too, a fuller appreciation > (again, intellectually or logically) of Impermanence: Since things are not > really "themselves", then what is it that is impermanent? > > But this Impermanence is so closely bound with Selflessness that it's hard to > get my wrecking-bar in there (and all this thinking gives me a little twinge > of discomfort behind my sinuses). > > Ha-choo! I must be allergic to thinking. ;-) > > --Joe > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > You asked: "...what [do] you think about the Buddhist idea of cause and > > effect?" > > > > I ASSUME by that you mean 'karma'. I believe karma like all other metal > > constructs is illusory. What that means is I believe if you are attached > > to your dualistic illusions, especially that of self, you are subject to > > karma. > > > > If however you not attached to your illusions, or better yet are > > manifesting Buddha Nature there is no self, so there is no karma. > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
