Joe, No, I'd rather not spend my time researching WHY or HOW things happen. I'd rather spend my time DOING them.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > Bill!, > > Sleepy to take on the minute points. > > My key enthusiasm in my reply to bring in hetu pratyaya, conditioned arising, > alongside the theme of karma which you raised, and to mention the fact that > karma and causes-and-conditions (another way of expressing hetu pratyaya), > and the issues of both selflessness and impermanence are all tied together > here in beautiful ways. > > I don't wish to help deconstruct in typical post-modern fashion our helpful > Buddhist philosophical themes by claiming that the observations in samsara > which lead to their formation and definition are "illusions": that's already > BUILT-IN, Bill!. See below. > > If you do that, you MIX Yogacara and Madhyamika. Each is better on its own. > > Yogacara treats the world and life from the point of view of Illusion; > > Madhyamika does it from the point of view of Enlightenment. > > If a Madhyamika tears-up Yogacara concepts, well, it's just illiterate of him. > > Well, these are PHILOSOPHICAL schools. They relate to Zen practice and Zen > teaching, but they may not be the most helpful areas where we can spend our > time, unless we really want to. Do you really want to? If so, I suggest a > review of the two aforementioned Philosophical schools in detail. There's a > lot there of value and beauty. Maybe it's time. "Zen" folks here will > complain. I suggest private study. I'm good to discuss anytime a few points > that come out of it. These are big studies, helpful to some practitioners. > Not best in an informal forum, perhaps. > > --Joe > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > You've used it as an a priori assumption in your post below, and yes it is > > accepted as such because of empirical observation. Of course empirical > > observation is a process of the dualistic, discriminating mind and as such > > is illusory. So...if you're making the statement below from that > > perspective, then that's okay with me. > > > > I just wanted to be sure you are basing this entire definition on > > dualistic, mental models (aka illusions). > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
