what so?..merle Merle,
Yes, city air is different than mountain air. City air smells like restaurant food, bread baking, perfume, body odor, garbage and even sometimes urine. Mountain air smells like flowers, fruit trees, animal feces and sometimes rotting carcasses. So what? ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > >  bill.... city air stinks..merle > > >  > Merle, > > The mountain air. The valley air. The city air. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > >  so zen... the mountain air?..merle > > > > > >  > > Joe, > > > > No, I'd rather not spend my time researching WHY or HOW things happen. I'd > > rather spend my time DOING them. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill!, > > > > > > Sleepy to take on the minute points. > > > > > > My key enthusiasm in my reply to bring in hetu pratyaya, conditioned > > > arising, alongside the theme of karma which you raised, and to mention > > > the fact that karma and causes-and-conditions (another way of expressing > > > hetu pratyaya), and the issues of both selflessness and impermanence are > > > all tied together here in beautiful ways. > > > > > > I don't wish to help deconstruct in typical post-modern fashion our > > > helpful Buddhist philosophical themes by claiming that the observations > > > in samsara which lead to their formation and definition are "illusions": > > > that's already BUILT-IN, Bill!. See below. > > > > > > If you do that, you MIX Yogacara and Madhyamika. Each is better on its > > > own. > > > > > > Yogacara treats the world and life from the point of view of Illusion; > > > > > > Madhyamika does it from the point of view of Enlightenment. > > > > > > If a Madhyamika tears-up Yogacara concepts, well, it's just illiterate of > > > him. > > > > > > Well, these are PHILOSOPHICAL schools. They relate to Zen practice and > > > Zen teaching, but they may not be the most helpful areas where we can > > > spend our time, unless we really want to. Do you really want to? If so, > > > I suggest a review of the two aforementioned Philosophical schools in > > > detail. There's a lot there of value and beauty. Maybe it's time. > > > "Zen" folks here will complain. I suggest private study. I'm good to > > > discuss anytime a few points that come out of it. These are big studies, > > > helpful to some practitioners. Not best in an informal forum, perhaps. > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You've used it as an a priori assumption in your post below, and yes it > > > > is accepted as such because of empirical observation. Of course > > > > empirical observation is a process of the dualistic, discriminating > > > > mind and as such is illusory. So...if you're making the statement > > > > below from that perspective, then that's okay with me. > > > > > > > > I just wanted to be sure you are basing this entire definition on > > > > dualistic, mental models (aka illusions). > > > > > >
