Merle,

Maybe he has 'network connectivity problems', or is ill, or MAYBE, like me, 
he's just not interested in responding to every post!

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
>  where is edgar????? help!!!!!!!!!
>  we are standing on the earth bill!!!!!!!!!
>  this is reality!
>  where are you standing?
>  on a cloud?
>  merle
> 
> 
>   
> Merle,
> 
> First of all the concept of 'attachments' is one of the most important 
> concepts in Buddhism.  The core of Siddhartha's teachings (as is mythologized 
> in Buddhist dogma) is expressed in the Four Noble Truths:
> 
> The Four Noble Truths
> 1. Life means suffering.
> 2. The origin of suffering is attachment.
> 3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.
> 4. The path to the cessation of suffering.
> 
> You can hardly have a real discussion about Zen Buddhism (the topic of this 
> forum)without bringing up 'attachments'. 
> 
> Secondly from what I've gleaned from your posts it's not the earth you're 
> attached to, it's your human-centric and egocentric ideal of what the earth 
> should be that you're attached to.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> >  i agree with you joe..
> > when bill !!!!!!! squeals attachment one feels guilty as all hell..
> > 
> > however bill!!!!! is attached to this mantra of squealing ATTACHMENT..at 
> > every turn...
> > 
> > we are "attached to the earth"...how does that ride with his 
> > squealing...?...merle
> > 
> >   
> > Joe,
> > 
> > I appreciate your criticism and think it is well-noted, but 'skillful 
> > means' is an art, not a science.  What is helpful for some might not work 
> > for others, and what seems appropriate for some might seem awkward for 
> > others.
> > 
> > I'm dancing as fast as I can.
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill!,
> > > 
> > > I don't disagree, and I won't.
> > > 
> > > I'll just note that, sometimes, the ATTACHMENT to the diagnosis of 
> > > "Attachment" is itself a sickness.  And seldom if ever helpful to one who 
> > > suffers, alas.
> > > 
> > > And this is made worse by any prescriptions made by the dispensing 
> > > physician to the patient.  Usually no prescription is made, however, 
> > > there's just the slap in the face of "attachment".  Like that's helpful!?
> > > 
> > > Funny, and sad, sad.  Sad.
> > > 
> > > Sometimes hearing "Attachment" is enough to shut down the healing process.
> > > 
> > > Yet, I have no suggestion regarding what ELSE to REACH for; but surely, 
> > > there must be something else, and better.  Let me work on it.
> > > 
> > > Skilful-means does not mean being Right, and being merely accurate 
> > > according to theory; it means being Skilful.
> > > 
> > > Did I mention, "skilful"?
> > > 
> > > A featherweight of skilful-means is worth a ton of accurate and 
> > > discursive correctness; phooey.  Correctness comes back to bite a person, 
> > > and helps the questioner not at all.  So?
> > > 
> > > Sometimes, if a guy can be nothing else, we have to at least let him be 
> > > *correct*.  That may be a skilful means, but I lament the paucity of it.
> > > 
> > > Now, I know, it's only *I* who mentioned skilful means, and being of some 
> > > help.  Typical Bodhisattva behavior on my part: I freely admit my guilt.
> > > 
> > > It's incumbent on you, Doctor, to tell beings how to loosen attachment to 
> > > the emotion of fear.  Asserting just the error of "attachment" to it, 
> > > Doc, is not worthy of a practitioner-friend, nor of a diagnostician with 
> > > a heart.
> > > 
> > > But fond hopes often go the way of all flesh.
> > > 
> > > --Joe / (already bitten in the tuchus)
> > > 
> > > > "Bill!"
>




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