Merle, Maybe he has 'network connectivity problems', or is ill, or MAYBE, like me, he's just not interested in responding to every post!
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > Â where is edgar????? help!!!!!!!!! > Â we are standing on the earth bill!!!!!!!!! > Â this is reality! > Â where are you standing? > Â on a cloud? > Â merle > > > Â > Merle, > > First of all the concept of 'attachments' is one of the most important > concepts in Buddhism. The core of Siddhartha's teachings (as is mythologized > in Buddhist dogma) is expressed in the Four Noble Truths: > > The Four Noble Truths > 1. Life means suffering. > 2. The origin of suffering is attachment. > 3. The cessation of suffering is attainable. > 4. The path to the cessation of suffering. > > You can hardly have a real discussion about Zen Buddhism (the topic of this > forum)without bringing up 'attachments'. > > Secondly from what I've gleaned from your posts it's not the earth you're > attached to, it's your human-centric and egocentric ideal of what the earth > should be that you're attached to. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ÃÂ i agree with you joe.. > > when bill !!!!!!! squeals attachment one feels guilty as all hell.. > > > > however bill!!!!! is attached to this mantra of squealing ATTACHMENT..at > > every turn... > > > > we are "attached to the earth"...how does that ride with his > > squealing...?...merle > > > > ÃÂ > > Joe, > > > > I appreciate your criticism and think it is well-noted, but 'skillful > > means' is an art, not a science. What is helpful for some might not work > > for others, and what seems appropriate for some might seem awkward for > > others. > > > > I'm dancing as fast as I can. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill!, > > > > > > I don't disagree, and I won't. > > > > > > I'll just note that, sometimes, the ATTACHMENT to the diagnosis of > > > "Attachment" is itself a sickness. And seldom if ever helpful to one who > > > suffers, alas. > > > > > > And this is made worse by any prescriptions made by the dispensing > > > physician to the patient. Usually no prescription is made, however, > > > there's just the slap in the face of "attachment". Like that's helpful!? > > > > > > Funny, and sad, sad. Sad. > > > > > > Sometimes hearing "Attachment" is enough to shut down the healing process. > > > > > > Yet, I have no suggestion regarding what ELSE to REACH for; but surely, > > > there must be something else, and better. Let me work on it. > > > > > > Skilful-means does not mean being Right, and being merely accurate > > > according to theory; it means being Skilful. > > > > > > Did I mention, "skilful"? > > > > > > A featherweight of skilful-means is worth a ton of accurate and > > > discursive correctness; phooey. Correctness comes back to bite a person, > > > and helps the questioner not at all. So? > > > > > > Sometimes, if a guy can be nothing else, we have to at least let him be > > > *correct*. That may be a skilful means, but I lament the paucity of it. > > > > > > Now, I know, it's only *I* who mentioned skilful means, and being of some > > > help. Typical Bodhisattva behavior on my part: I freely admit my guilt. > > > > > > It's incumbent on you, Doctor, to tell beings how to loosen attachment to > > > the emotion of fear. Asserting just the error of "attachment" to it, > > > Doc, is not worthy of a practitioner-friend, nor of a diagnostician with > > > a heart. > > > > > > But fond hopes often go the way of all flesh. > > > > > > --Joe / (already bitten in the tuchus) > > > > > > > "Bill!" > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
