Bill I do not see my posting in this forum for recent days. Are you guys dont want to discuss my posting. ?
suresh On Oct 23, 2012 6:25 AM, "Merle Lester" <[email protected]> wrote: > [image: Boxbe] <https://www.boxbe.com/overview> This message is eligible > for Automatic Cleanup! ([email protected]) Add cleanup > rule<https://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Ftoken%3DHrSdQuwHa8wNl8DAc4RSNXRuPapAQzudfSbThqybgP5he76o5VKfXXGwc%252Bz2sS6Re2PHDq9GuXelruH7S6LEyhic5AEr4TV0PqSKBWKXwMGzHb2nuo4Pv7npFAByNbz%252B%252F3qBkuP8Ohx%252Bh59Cy%252F62VA%253D%253D%26key%3DAhDONBCCljuZPGQV4eUE09KSZFuCuZC%252BtGb0FOKCKts%253D&tc=12727214268_2005938872>| > More > info<http://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc=12727214268_2005938872> > > ** > > > > shit on the stick...that's a new one!..merle > > Merle, > > Bill!'s stick is not designed for rapping on knuckles. His is for the > purpose of 'shit on the stick', airming for enlightenment. > > Anthony > > *From:* Merle Lester <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 7:33 > *Subject:* Re: [Zen] original zen > > > anthony...it's not you...it's bill!..doing the rapping on the > knuckles.... merle > > Merle, > > From time to time I aim for some 'friendly friction'. However, it is far > from rapping on the knuckles. If you feel that way, I appologize. > > Anthony > > *From:* Merle Lester <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, 22 October 2012, 13:23 > *Subject:* [Zen] original zen > > > anthony ... my life is not dull... > > i do not wish to call friction BILL!.. > why are you singling me out..? > you in my books are the one who always begins the friction... > you will not accept... > you just put your 2 bits in and me and all must say yea bill! > or we are rapped over the knuckles with your so called stick.. > more like an iron rod... > think deeply and long... > what do you want experience of the understanding of someone or text book > analyses of zen... > i can do quotations too..regurgitate > > me thinks you are not zen enough > you do not seem to be able to stand on your own 2 feet.. > always harping back to some text book idea... > what if there were no textbooks > no masters of zen.. > then you'd have to start from scratch eh?.. > fresh original zen..eh? > what then Bill! > merle > > Everybody needs entertainment to escape from dull life. > > Anthony > > *From:* Bill! <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Monday, 22 October 2012, 7:48 > *Subject:* [Zen] Re: genius > > Merle, I also understand why you want to cause friction on this forum. You > want to be entertained. I have enough entertainment in my life outside of > this forum. That's not what I'm looking for here. I'm looking for > substantive discussions on zen. ...Bill! --- In > mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com <Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle > Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  > bill!..are you saying your > zen practise is superior to edgar's zen practise, eh?.. > tut tut..  one > man up manship games... > shame on you Bill!..you the enlightened one! > >  merle > > >  > Merle, > > Edgar could be a genius, but that won't help > his zen practice...Bill! > > --- In > mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com<Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > >  bill!..i can see > where you are coming from and also where edgar is coming from..so where am > i coming from? > > i can understand and relate to what you both are saying > > > > >  god father BILL!.. aldous huxley is a genius... > >  next > you'll be telling me your bored with leonardo da vinci > >  the genius >  are then not your cup of tea? > > > >  maybe edgar is a genius? > > >  merle > > > > > >  > > Merle, > > > > Edgar and I disagree on > fundamental issues. In his post below I agree only with the first > paragraph. The rest of it, which basically says some attachments are benign > (actually, even necessary) and some aren't, I disagree with. And his last > sentence "Zen is not as simple as many imagine!" is outright egregious. Zen > is the most simple thing you can imagine. IMO Edgar makes is complicated by > trying to UNDERSTAND and EXPLAIN it all the time. There is no need for, in > fact IMO there is a need NOT TO, try to understand zen. > > > > You don't > understand zen, you practice zen. > > > > My reading of the ISLAND has > bogged down midway in Chapter 4. It seems very tedious and somewhat > juvenile to me, but I'll keep going for at least another couple chapters to > see what might come next. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In > mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com <Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle > Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill!..what is it > that you and edgar disagree on?... is this just childish one up manship? > > > >  as we are all ONE > > >  then stands to reason..edgar > and you are still on the same coin so to speak > > >  how is your > island reading going ? > > >  merle > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Merle, > > > > > > I am 'listening' (reading actually), but there's > nothing in this post for me to learn, nothing new anyway. I already am > aware of how much Edgar and I disagree on zen - and I knew that already. > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com<Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ yes bill!..edgar is back.. > > > > edgar is on the > cutting edge..are you listening?... and need i say learning?..merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Suresh, > > > > > > > > > Attachment is a very valuable evolutionary survival mechanism. It's a > fundamental part of human nature similar to what we share with other > species. With no attachments individual humans would have no motivation or > direction and would not survive. > > > > > > > > The problem is not > attachments per se. We all use attachments every day to go about our lives > successfully. That's what enables people to sustain material success in > life. The problem is excessive attachment, or attachment to your > attachments. The problem is excessive attachments THAT DO NOT MESH WITH > WHAT IS REAL or attainable.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > For example > a man's attachment to THE IDEA OF an unattainable woman, or an unattainable > position in society. Attachment to the unattainable causes > suffering.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > However attachment to the > ATTAINABLE maintains physical and social life.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > However things can change. When one loses something one was > attached to realization demands changing one's attachment to it to mirror > the new state of reality. > > > > > > > > Zen is not as simple as many > imagine! > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On > Oct 20, 2012, at 1:38 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > >Why do > human liked to get attached? > > > > >What is the root cause for > attachment? > > > > >Suresh > > > > >On Oct 20, 2012 8:38 AM, "Merle > Lester" <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This message is > eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (merlewiitpom@) Add cleanup rule | More > info > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > >>ÃÆ'‚ so how does one NOT be attached to these emotions > eh?..merle > > > > >>ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >>Merle, > > > > >> > > > > > >>No, these in-and-of themselves are not attachments. They are concepts > (mental models), and in some case emotions - and it is not these that cause > suffering. It is ATTACHMENTS to these that cause suffering. > > > > >> > > > > > >>...Bill! > > > > >> > > > > >>--- In > mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com <Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle > Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ thanks..are they > attachments?... merle > > > > >>> Merle, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Love is not exactly the OPPOSITE of hate, but love/hate is a dualistic > pair - like good/bad, tall/short, hot/cold, yin/yang, etc... > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ...Bill! > > > > >>> > > > > >>> --- In > mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com <Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle > Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ> 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > tell > me more BILLLL....... Love is it the opposite of hate????? merle > > > > > >>> > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ> 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > >>> > I agree with James. > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > As with all > emotions like fear, anger, love, hate it is not the emotion that is the > real problem, it is the ATTACHMENT to the emotion. > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > ...Bill! > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > --- In > mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com <Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, "James > W. Meritt" <JWMeritt@> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > Not so sure getting rid of fear is a good thing. I see having fear, but > modifying how you use and react to it as a good thing. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > James W. Meritt > > > > >>> > > > CISSP, CISA, NSA IAM, PMP > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
