that is the truth bill!!!!!! merle
Bill, If you really understood you would agree! :-) Edgar On Oct 21, 2012, at 3:39 AM, Bill! wrote: >Merle, > >I understand Edgar most of the time and where he is coming from. I just don't >agree. > >...Bill! > >--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: >> >> >> >>  bill!..i can see where you are coming from and also where edgar is coming >> from..so where am i coming from? >> i can understand and relate to what you both are saying >> >>  god father BILL!.. aldous huxley is a genius... >>  next you'll be telling me your bored with leonardo da vinci >>  the genius  are then not your cup of tea? >> >>  maybe edgar is a genius? >>  merle >> >> >>  >> Merle, >> >> Edgar and I disagree on fundamental issues. In his post below I agree only >> with the first paragraph. The rest of it, which basically says some >> attachments are benign (actually, even necessary) and some aren't, I >> disagree with. And his last sentence "Zen is not as simple as many >> imagine!" is outright egregious. Zen is the most simple thing you can >> imagine. IMO Edgar makes is complicated by trying to UNDERSTAND and EXPLAIN >> it all the time. There is no need for, in fact IMO there is a need NOT TO, >> try to understand zen. >> >> You don't understand zen, you practice zen. >> >> My reading of the ISLAND has bogged down midway in Chapter 4. It seems very >> tedious and somewhat juvenile to me, but I'll keep going for at least >> another couple chapters to see what might come next. >> >> ...Bill! >> >> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Bill!..what is it that you and edgar disagree on?... is this just childish >> > one up manship? >> >  as we are all ONE >> >  then stands to reason..edgar and you are still on the same coin so to >> > speak >> >  how is your island reading going ? >> >  merle >> > >> > >> >  >> > Merle, >> > >> > I am 'listening' (reading actually), but there's nothing in this post for >> > me to learn, nothing new anyway. I already am aware of how much Edgar and >> > I disagree on zen - and I knew that already. >> > >> > ...Bill! >> > >> > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >  yes bill!..edgar is back.. >> > > edgar is on the cutting edge..are you listening?... and need i say >> > > learning?..merle >> > > >> > > >> > >  >> > > Suresh, >> > > >> > > Attachment is a very valuable evolutionary survival mechanism. It's a >> > > fundamental part of human nature similar to what we share with other >> > > species. With no attachments individual humans would have no motivation >> > > or direction and would not survive. >> > > >> > > The problem is not attachments per se. We all use attachments every day >> > > to go about our lives successfully. That's what enables people to >> > > sustain material success in life. The problem is excessive attachment, >> > > or attachment to your attachments. The problem is excessive attachments >> > > THAT DO NOT MESH WITH WHAT IS REAL or attainable. >> > > >> > > For example a man's attachment to THE IDEA OF an unattainable woman, or >> > > an unattainable position in society. Attachment to the unattainable >> > > causes suffering. >> > > >> > > However attachment to the ATTAINABLE maintains physical and social >> > > life. >> > > >> > > However things can change. When one loses something one was attached to >> > > realization demands changing one's attachment to it to mirror the new >> > > state of reality. >> > > >> > > Zen is not as simple as many imagine! >> > > >> > > Edgar >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Oct 20, 2012, at 1:38 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: >> > > >> > >  >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >Bill >> > > >Why do human liked to get attached? >> > > >What is the root cause for attachment? >> > > >Suresh >> > > >On Oct 20, 2012 8:38 AM, "Merle Lester" <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (merlewiitpom@) Add >> > > > cleanup rule | More info >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> so how does one NOT be attached to these emotions eh?..merle >> > > >> >> > > >>Merle, >> > > >> >> > > >>No, these in-and-of themselves are not attachments. They are concepts >> > > >>(mental models), and in some case emotions - and it is not these that >> > > >>cause suffering. It is ATTACHMENTS to these that cause suffering. >> > > >> >> > > >>...Bill! >> > > >> >> > > >>--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> ÃÆ'‚ thanks..are they attachments?... merle >> > > >>> Merle, >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Love is not exactly the OPPOSITE of hate, but love/hate is a >> > > >>> dualistic pair - like good/bad, tall/short, hot/cold, yin/yang, >> > > >>> etc... >> > > >>> >> > > >>> ...Bill! >> > > >>> >> > > >>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ tell me more >> > > >>> > BILLLL....... Love is it the opposite of hate????? merle >> > > >>> > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ >> > > >>> > I agree with James. >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > As with all emotions like fear, anger, love, hate it is not the >> > > >>> > emotion that is the real problem, it is the ATTACHMENT to the >> > > >>> > emotion. >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > ...Bill! >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > --- In [email protected], "James W. Meritt" <JWMeritt@> >> > > >>> > wrote: >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > Not so sure getting rid of fear is a good thing. I see having >> > > >>> > > fear, but modifying how you use and react to it as a good thing. >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > James W. Meritt >> > > >>> > > CISSP, CISA, NSA IAM, PMP >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >
