Suresh: I am getting them in spades.
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 22, 2012, at 21:23, SURESH JAGADEESAN <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Bill > > I do not see my posting in this forum for recent days. Are you guys dont want > to discuss my posting. ? > > suresh > > On Oct 23, 2012 6:25 AM, "Merle Lester" <[email protected]> wrote: >> This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! ([email protected]) >> Add cleanup rule | More info >> >> >> >> shit on the stick...that's a new one!..merle >> >> Merle, >> >> Bill!'s stick is not designed for rapping on knuckles. His is for the >> purpose of 'shit on the stick', airming for enlightenment. >> >> Anthony >> >> From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 7:33 >> Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen >> >> >> anthony...it's not you...it's bill!..doing the rapping on the knuckles.... >> merle >> >> Merle, >> >> From time to time I aim for some 'friendly friction'. However, it is far >> from rapping on the knuckles. If you feel that way, I appologize. >> >> Anthony >> >> From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, 22 October 2012, 13:23 >> Subject: [Zen] original zen >> >> >> anthony ... my life is not dull... >> >> i do not wish to call friction BILL!.. >> why are you singling me out..? >> you in my books are the one who always begins the friction... >> you will not accept... >> you just put your 2 bits in and me and all must say yea bill! >> or we are rapped over the knuckles with your so called stick.. >> more like an iron rod... >> think deeply and long... >> what do you want experience of the understanding of someone or text book >> analyses of zen... >> i can do quotations too..regurgitate >> >> me thinks you are not zen enough >> you do not seem to be able to stand on your own 2 feet.. >> always harping back to some text book idea... >> what if there were no textbooks >> no masters of zen.. >> then you'd have to start from scratch eh?.. >> fresh original zen..eh? >> what then Bill! >> merle >> >> Everybody needs entertainment to escape from dull life. >> >> Anthony >> >> From: Bill! <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, 22 October 2012, 7:48 >> Subject: [Zen] Re: genius >> >> Merle, I also understand why you want to cause friction on this forum. You >> want to be entertained. I have enough entertainment in my life outside of >> this forum. That's not what I'm looking for here. I'm looking for >> substantive discussions on zen. ...Bill! --- In >> mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > >> > > >  > bill!..are you saying your zen practise is superior to edgar's >> zen practise, eh?.. > tut tut..  one man up manship games... > shame on you >> Bill!..you the enlightened one! >  merle > > >  > Merle, > > Edgar could >> be a genius, but that won't help his zen practice...Bill! > > --- In >> mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > >  bill!..i can see where you are coming from and also where >> edgar is coming from..so where am i coming from? > > i can understand and >> relate to what you both are saying > > > >  god father BILL!.. aldous >> huxley is a genius... > >  next you'll be telling me your bored with >> leonardo da vinci > >  the genius  are then not your cup of tea? > > > >> >  maybe edgar is a genius? > >  merle > > > > > >  > > Merle, > > >> > > Edgar and I disagree on fundamental issues. In his post below I agree >> only with the first paragraph. The rest of it, which basically says some >> attachments are benign (actually, even necessary) and some aren't, I >> disagree with. And his last sentence "Zen is not as simple as many imagine!" >> is outright egregious. Zen is the most simple thing you can imagine. IMO >> Edgar makes is complicated by trying to UNDERSTAND and EXPLAIN it all the >> time. There is no need for, in fact IMO there is a need NOT TO, try to >> understand zen. > > > > You don't understand zen, you practice zen. > > > > >> My reading of the ISLAND has bogged down midway in Chapter 4. It seems very >> tedious and somewhat juvenile to me, but I'll keep going for at least >> another couple chapters to see what might come next. > > > > ...Bill! > > > >> > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill!..what is it that you and edgar disagree >> on?... is this just childish one up manship? > > >  as we are all >> ONE > > >  then stands to reason..edgar and you are still on the >> same coin so to speak > > >  how is your island reading going ? > > >> >  merle > > > > > > > > >  > > > Merle, > > > > > > I am >> 'listening' (reading actually), but there's nothing in this post for me to >> learn, nothing new anyway. I already am aware of how much Edgar and I >> disagree on zen - and I knew that already. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > >> --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ yes bill!..edgar >> is back.. > > > > edgar is on the cutting edge..are you listening?... and >> need i say learning?..merle > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > >> > > Suresh, > > > > > > > > Attachment is a very valuable evolutionary >> survival mechanism. It's a fundamental part of human nature similar to what >> we share with other species. With no attachments individual humans would >> have no motivation or direction and would not survive. > > > > > > > > The >> problem is not attachments per se. We all use attachments every day to go >> about our lives successfully. That's what enables people to sustain material >> success in life. The problem is excessive attachment, or attachment to your >> attachments. The problem is excessive attachments THAT DO NOT MESH WITH WHAT >> IS REAL or attainable.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > For example a >> man's attachment to THE IDEA OF an unattainable woman, or an unattainable >> position in society. Attachment to the unattainable causes >> suffering.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > However attachment to the >> ATTAINABLE maintains physical and social life.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > >> > > > However things can change. When one loses something one was attached >> to realization demands changing one's attachment to it to mirror the new >> state of reality. > > > > > > > > Zen is not as simple as many imagine! > > >> > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 20, 2012, >> at 1:38 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > >Why do human liked to get attached? >> > > > > >What is the root cause for attachment? > > > > >Suresh > > > > >On >> Oct 20, 2012 8:38 AM, "Merle Lester" <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (merlewiitpom@) Add >> cleanup rule | More info > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>ÃÆ'‚ >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>ÃÆ'‚ >> > > > > >>ÃÆ'‚ so how does one NOT be attached to these >> emotions eh?..merle > > > > >>ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >>Merle, > > > > >> >> > > > > >>No, these in-and-of themselves are not attachments. They are >> concepts (mental models), and in some case emotions - and it is not these >> that cause suffering. It is ATTACHMENTS to these that cause suffering. > > > >> > >> > > > > >>...Bill! > > > > >> > > > > >>--- In >> mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> >> ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ thanks..are they attachments?... >> merle > > > > >>> Merle, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Love is not >> exactly the OPPOSITE of hate, but love/hate is a dualistic pair - like >> good/bad, tall/short, hot/cold, yin/yang, etc... > > > > >>> > > > > >>> >> ...Bill! > > > > >>> > > > > >>> --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, >> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ>> 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ >> tell me more BILLLL....... Love is it the opposite of hate????? merle > > > >> > >>> > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ>> 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ >> > > > > >>> > I agree with James. > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > As with all >> emotions like fear, anger, love, hate it is not the emotion that is the real >> problem, it is the ATTACHMENT to the emotion. > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> ...Bill! > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > --- In >> mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, "James W. Meritt" <JWMeritt@> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > Not so sure getting rid of fear >> is a good thing. I see having fear, but modifying how you use and react to >> it as a good thing. > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > James W. Meritt > > > > >>> > > CISSP, CISA, NSA IAM, PMP > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
