Re: [Zen] original zen

Wed, 24 Oct 2012 05:12:14 -0700 

Yes, that was meant to be humorous...;>)

--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
> 
> Me "pretending to have network connectivity issues" so I wouldn't have to 
> respond to you!
> 
> Talk about illusion! I hope you meant that humorously though I see no 
> smiley...
> 
> Edgar
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:30 AM, Bill! wrote:
> 
> > Merle,
> > 
> > Edgar and my entire disagreement on zen is centered around understanding 
> > versus experience.
> > 
> > My 'Daily Repeating Question' for him while he was absent and pretending to 
> > have network connectivity difficulties was asking him just that: 'What role 
> > does intelligence play in realizing Buddha Nature?' In the end he wisely 
> > refused to answer.
> > 
> > Just recently he referred to 'intellectual koans' - which is a complete 
> > oxymoron. He and I exchanged two short retorts about this, but with the 
> > exception of just a couple people on the forum I'm sure it went by 
> > unnoticed.
> > 
> > What's your opinion on this? Do you think intelligence (the ability to 
> > understand, rationality, the ability to draw logical inferences,etc...) 
> > plays an indispensable role in realizing Buddha Nature?
> > 
> > ...Bill! 
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Â bill...sorry to disappoint you... however edgar also says it like it 
> > > IS..merle
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Â  
> > > Merle,
> > > 
> > > I believed you did not know this because of your MANY posts recently 
> > > supporting Edgar's continual assertions that UNDERSTANDING is necessary 
> > > for realizing Buddha Nature.
> > > 
> > > ...Bill!
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  but of course BILL.... what makes you believe i did not know 
> > > > this?...merle
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > Merle,
> > > > 
> > > > Because Buddha Nature is not something you understand, it's something 
> > > > you experience...Bill!
> > > > 
> > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  why not ?..merle
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > Merle,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes. That's why I wrote it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Huxley's 'Attention! Attention! Here and Now Boys! Here and Now 
> > > > > Boys!' is the same thing as Joshu's 'The Oak Tree in the Garden' and 
> > > > > 'Mu'', Unmon's 'Dried Shit-Stick' Tozan's 'Three Pounds of Flax' and 
> > > > > my 'Just THIS!'.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Understand? (...and you better not answer 'YES!!!!')
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...Bill! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ and is that not what the repeat as the mantra 
> > > > > > in the island novel?...merle
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚  
> > > > > > Merle,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Or, if you prefer, "Attention! Attention! Here and Now Boy! Here 
> > > > > > and Now!"
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Merle,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The latter, I think. I imagine it was fashioned in the form of a 
> > > > > > > flat blade, like a palette-knife, or putty knife, probably from a 
> > > > > > > broad thin piece of architectural bamboo.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It must have been a common enough accessory in use at the Ch'an 
> > > > > > > monasteries, some of which housed hundreds of monks or nuns, and 
> > > > > > > the latrines must have been extensive. And so the Master made use 
> > > > > > > of the stick as an example, in his teaching.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Others might have answered, "The Oak Tree in the court yard" (but 
> > > > > > > at some of the monasteries on high mountains, Oaks did not grow, 
> > > > > > > but mostly Pines did/do). Bamboo could be brought up from below, 
> > > > > > > for building, and for implements.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Still others might have answered, "Just THIS!".
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The Master was very compassionate, bringing the student back into 
> > > > > > > the "here and now" with what he said and how he said it.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --Joe
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > huh??????? wiping what.... the toilet or the arse?..
> > > > > > > > so it's an arse wiping stick?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>




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