Merle, I wouldn't say they were completely 'separate'. There is some relationship but they are definitely not the same thing.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  bill!...i see..brain and mind are separate huh?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ merle >  > Merle, > > The 'brain' is an organ. It should not be confused with the 'mind'. Your > brain performs a lot of functions of which participating with other organs to > provide 'consciousness' is just one of them. > > 'Mind' is your intellect. > > You don't need to know or understand any of this to realize Buddha > Bature...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > àyou have to have a "brain" to be able to be..otherwise you are a > > vegetable Bill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > what is the function of the brain...the mind? ..merle > > > > > > à> > Merle, > > > > Edgar and my entire disagreement on zen is centered around understanding > > versus experience. > > > > My 'Daily Repeating Question' for him while he was absent and pretending to > > have network connectivity difficulties was asking him just that: 'What > > role does intelligence play in realizing Buddha Nature?' In the end he > > wisely refused to answer. > > > > Just recently he referred to 'intellectual koans' - which is a complete > > oxymoron. He and I exchanged two short retorts about this, but with the > > exception of just a couple people on the forum I'm sure it went by > > unnoticed. > > > > What's your opinion on this? Do you think intelligence (the ability to > > understand, rationality, the ability to draw logical inferences,etc...) > > plays an indispensable role in realizing Buddha Nature? > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâàbill...sorry to disappoint you... however edgar also says it > > > like it IS..merle > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > Merle, > > > > > > I believed you did not know this because of your MANY posts recently > > > supporting Edgar's continual assertions that UNDERSTANDING is necessary > > > for realizing Buddha Nature. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàbut of course BILL.... what makes you believe i did > > > > not know this?...merle > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > Because Buddha Nature is not something you understand, it's something > > > > you experience...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàwhy not ?..merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > Yes. That's why I wrote it. > > > > > > > > > > Huxley's 'Attention! Attention! Here and Now Boys! Here and Now > > > > > Boys!' is the same thing as Joshu's 'The Oak Tree in the Garden' and > > > > > 'Mu'', Unmon's 'Dried Shit-Stick' Tozan's 'Three Pounds of Flax' and > > > > > my 'Just THIS!'. > > > > > > > > > > Understand? (...and you better not answer 'YES!!!!') > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàand > > > > > > is that not what the repeat as the mantra in the island > > > > > > novel?...merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > Or, if you prefer, "Attention! Attention! Here and Now Boy! Here > > > > > > and Now!" > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter, I think. I imagine it was fashioned in the form of a > > > > > > > flat blade, like a palette-knife, or putty knife, probably from a > > > > > > > broad thin piece of architectural bamboo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It must have been a common enough accessory in use at the Ch'an > > > > > > > monasteries, some of which housed hundreds of monks or nuns, and > > > > > > > the latrines must have been extensive. And so the Master made > > > > > > > use of the stick as an example, in his teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others might have answered, "The Oak Tree in the court yard" (but > > > > > > > at some of the monasteries on high mountains, Oaks did not grow, > > > > > > > but mostly Pines did/do). Bamboo could be brought up from below, > > > > > > > for building, and for implements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still others might have answered, "Just THIS!". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Master was very compassionate, bringing the student back into > > > > > > > the "here and now" with what he said and how he said it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > huh??????? wiping what.... the toilet or the arse?.. > > > > > > > > so it's an arse wiping stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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