Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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On Oct 24, 2012, at 0:30, "Bill!" <[email protected]> wrote:

> with the exception of just a couple people on the forum I'm sure it went by 
> unnoticed.

Lots more reading than posting here. Despite the amazing number of postings. 

It is sort of an exercise in speculation to ask about realization of Buddha 
Nature without intelligence as we all here have intelligence. Not being a tree 
I cannot comment on the trees realization (and not being Joe Edgar Anthony Bill 
Bill! Merle KG ED Sureesh etc. I cannot comment on all y'all's realization. 

The thing to remember about pointing fingers is that there effectiveness is 
only marginally related to their internal semantics - perhaps for Edgar his 
statements are a reassuring pointer, unrelated to the literal claim they make. 
I know I sometimes encounter a sentence from Stephanie Kaza's outstanding book 
"Hooked": "There is nothing whatsoever to be clung to as me or mine."  On first 
encountering this pointer I felt so deeply at home, that I find it a great 
pleasure to reread or restate it. 

Perhaps for Edgar the language and forms of physics as he knows it have been so 
liberatory it would be disingenuous of him not to share those pointers. 

When you and he continue to try to force an acknowledgment of each others 
pointers, it reads to me to be giving weight to the finger being important and 
unitary, rather than the moon. 

"Just this!"  

"Deterministic bounded resource computation of the t prime state from t null". 

"Don't drink piss and get all depraved"

"Join a sangha!"

"Create art and don't put on airs!"

"Just practice!"  

"Breathe!"

"Just stop!"

Is there some way for this group of zen friendly writers to understand and 
express the idea that all needs all?  

Possibly I will not be able to recognize such a state were we to create it. 

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