Chris,

You're correct on the 'sacred' stuff.  Stuff's stuff.

You say "...asking for something specific is not the major sort - asking to be 
a more helpful or courageous friend is just as useful."

Ask whom?  Yourself?  If so, why ask?  Why not just be?

...Bill!



--- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...> wrote:
>
> When nothing is sacred, then everything is sacred
> 
> Also, praying for others is like donating ten bucks to a campaign - it
> allows you to be ready for more substantive action later and allows you to
> tell people you prayed for.X.
> 
> There are many sorts of prayer, asking for something specific is not the
> major sort - asking to be a more helpful or courageous friend is just as
> useful
> On Oct 31, 2012 1:01 AM, "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
> 
> > Merle,
> >
> > My responses are as usual embedded in your post below:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> >
> > > Â billlllllllllll...you sound like you do not like edgar?
> >
> > What I've said reveals nothing about my feelings for Edgar.
> >
> > > Â why not pray?
> >
> > It's a useless activity, except perhaps to either make the one who's
> > praying feel better.
> >
> > > Â what does pray mean to you?
> >
> > 'Pray' to me means to ask for something from someone who you think can
> > give whatever you're asking for.
> >
> > > what do you mean to whom?
> >
> > I mean 'to whom would you pray'?  To God?  To Jehovah?  To Allah?  To
> > Vishnu?  To Buddha?  To Edgar?  To Sally?  To FEMA?  To whom?
> >
> > > Â pray is pray is pray
> >
> > I can't argue with that.
> >
> > > sacred
> >
> > What do you mean 'sacred'?  There is nothing that's 'sacred'.  There's
> > Just THIS!
> >
> > > i careÂ
> >
> > Okay.  I care too.
> >
> > > Â i pray
> >
> > I don't.
> >
> > > Â that is that and again i ask why not?
> >
> > I don't pray.  I don't do a lot of things.  Like, I also don't cut the
> > heads off of chickens, smear my body with their blood, drink some
> > intoxicant, stick pins in a doll and dance until I pass out hoping that
> > will bring about something I want.
> >
> > > compassion  universal love and understanding is that not pray?
> >
> > No Merle, compassion and universal love and understanding is not prayer.
> >  At least I don't equate these.
> >
> > And one last thing...if you're going to pray, why just pray for Edgar?  Or
> > for all those on the East Coast of the USA?  Or for all those in danger?
> >  Why not just pray for EVERYBODY, EVERYWHERE?  Including yourself?
> >
> > How about something like the first line of the 4 Bodhisattva vows:
> >
> > Sentient beings are numberless, I vow to save them [all] - not just
> > Edgar...
> >
> > Now THAT'S compassion and universal love - but I'm not sure about
> > universal understanding.  That's out of my scope.
> >
> > ...Bill!
> >
> >
> > > merle
> > > Â
> > > Merle,
> > >
> > > Why pray for Edgar?  And to whom?
> > >
> > > ...Bill!
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  we must pray for edgar...
> > > >  merle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ÂÂ
> > > > >... wind-damage.
> > > >
> > > > From Hurricane Sandy or Edgar? ; )
> > > >
> > > > Ps You know we love you, Edgar!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >  From: Joe <desert_woodworker@>
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 22:07
> > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Edgar!  Watch Out!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ÂÂ
> > > > Edgar,
> > > >
> > > > You LOOK ok.  Is that YOU, wading ashore?  Good.  I feel that all is
> > right with the Whirled, then.  Now.
> > > >
> > > > --Joe
> > > >
> > > > PS  Group: Unless he has a gasoline powered generator, he may be off
> > line for a bit.  And the Internet providers there will have their problems,
> > too, for a few days, as may the phone companies, if Edgar has DSL.  But,
> > hopes that our co-Moderator is safe!, and that his antiquities collection
> > did not experience flooding nor wind-damage.  I could have warned about
> > this a week ago when Edgar avowed that it was not cloudy in New Jersey:
> > We're clear-eyed in the Desert... when sand does not make us blink.  We did
> > not blink.  Be safe, stay safe.
> > > >
> > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > are you ok edgar?..merle
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
> > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



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