Sometimes I can increase my clarity regarding some thought or other by saying it aloud, and listening to my sounds.
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 31, 2012, at 17:35, "Bill!" <[email protected]> wrote: > Chris, > > You're correct on the 'sacred' stuff. Stuff's stuff. > > You say "...asking for something specific is not the major sort - asking to > be a more helpful or courageous friend is just as useful." > > Ask whom? Yourself? If so, why ask? Why not just be? > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...> wrote: >> >> When nothing is sacred, then everything is sacred >> >> Also, praying for others is like donating ten bucks to a campaign - it >> allows you to be ready for more substantive action later and allows you to >> tell people you prayed for.X. >> >> There are many sorts of prayer, asking for something specific is not the >> major sort - asking to be a more helpful or courageous friend is just as >> useful >> On Oct 31, 2012 1:01 AM, "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: >> >>> Merle, >>> >>> My responses are as usual embedded in your post below: >>> >>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >>> >>>>  billlllllllllll...you sound like you do not like edgar? >>> >>> What I've said reveals nothing about my feelings for Edgar. >>> >>>>  why not pray? >>> >>> It's a useless activity, except perhaps to either make the one who's >>> praying feel better. >>> >>>>  what does pray mean to you? >>> >>> 'Pray' to me means to ask for something from someone who you think can >>> give whatever you're asking for. >>> >>>> what do you mean to whom? >>> >>> I mean 'to whom would you pray'? To God? To Jehovah? To Allah? To >>> Vishnu? To Buddha? To Edgar? To Sally? To FEMA? To whom? >>> >>>>  pray is pray is pray >>> >>> I can't argue with that. >>> >>>> sacred >>> >>> What do you mean 'sacred'? There is nothing that's 'sacred'. There's >>> Just THIS! >>> >>>> i care >>> >>> Okay. I care too. >>> >>>>  i pray >>> >>> I don't. >>> >>>>  that is that and again i ask why not? >>> >>> I don't pray. I don't do a lot of things. Like, I also don't cut the >>> heads off of chickens, smear my body with their blood, drink some >>> intoxicant, stick pins in a doll and dance until I pass out hoping that >>> will bring about something I want. >>> >>>> compassion  universal love and understanding is that not pray? >>> >>> No Merle, compassion and universal love and understanding is not prayer. >>> At least I don't equate these. >>> >>> And one last thing...if you're going to pray, why just pray for Edgar? Or >>> for all those on the East Coast of the USA? Or for all those in danger? >>> Why not just pray for EVERYBODY, EVERYWHERE? Including yourself? >>> >>> How about something like the first line of the 4 Bodhisattva vows: >>> >>> Sentient beings are numberless, I vow to save them [all] - not just >>> Edgar... >>> >>> Now THAT'S compassion and universal love - but I'm not sure about >>> universal understanding. That's out of my scope. >>> >>> ...Bill! >>> >>> >>>> merle >>>>  >>>> Merle, >>>> >>>> Why pray for Edgar? And to whom? >>>> >>>> ...Bill! >>>> >>>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>  we must pray for edgar... >>>>>  merle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>  >>>>>> ... wind-damage. >>>>> >>>>> From Hurricane Sandy or Edgar? ; ) >>>>> >>>>> Ps You know we love you, Edgar! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Joe <desert_woodworker@> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 22:07 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Edgar! Watch Out!!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>  >>>>> Edgar, >>>>> >>>>> You LOOK ok. Is that YOU, wading ashore? Good. I feel that all is >>> right with the Whirled, then. Now. >>>>> >>>>> --Joe >>>>> >>>>> PS Group: Unless he has a gasoline powered generator, he may be off >>> line for a bit. And the Internet providers there will have their problems, >>> too, for a few days, as may the phone companies, if Edgar has DSL. But, >>> hopes that our co-Moderator is safe!, and that his antiquities collection >>> did not experience flooding nor wind-damage. I could have warned about >>> this a week ago when Edgar avowed that it was not cloudy in New Jersey: >>> We're clear-eyed in the Desert... when sand does not make us blink. We did >>> not blink. Be safe, stay safe. >>>>> >>>>>> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> are you ok edgar?..merle >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are >>> reading! 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