Edgar, A Bodhisattva and those he's trying to save are the same-same (as we say in Thailand)...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Joe, > > The first one clearly isn't for the benefit of the Boddhisattva himself but > for the beings he vows to save... > > Edgar > > > > On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:26 AM, Joe wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > If you'd heard or chanted the vows in English, you might have come to > > understand them. > > > > Shame on you mouthing only gibberish in Japan, on someone else's Dime. > > > > Attend: > > > > There are four Bodhisattva vows. Follow me, now: and observe. > > > > Old Casey Stengel said, "You can observe a lot by just looking." > > > > The many Beings are numberless; I vow ...to save them; > > Greed, Hatred, and Ignorance rise endlessly; I vow ...to abandon them; > > Dharma Gates are countless; I vow ...to wake to them; > > Buddha's Way is unsurpassed; I vow ...to embody it fully. > > > > As you can see, these are all vows by the Bodhisattva for the Bodhisattva. > > Or maybe you can't. But the Bodhisattva, being what the Bodhisattva is, > > will surely save those beings. I mean, you may rest assured. Especially if > > you make these vows. Not otherwise. > > > > At awakening, there's no self. Nor beings. But this does not stop you from > > continuing in harmony with beings. This is "saving", even after all are > > saved. > > > > It will never be clear to you until you drop everything. > > > > My Shih-fu used to say, "Even your socks". > > > > This is why I am the nudist I am, to this day. A nudist Buddhist balloonist > > flutist cartoonist parachutist. Friends say the cutest. I dunno about that; > > it makes me blush. > > > > Speaking figuratively?: why, certainly. > > > > --Joe > > > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > I disagree and your view is certainly at odds with Buddhist tradition. > > > > > > The traditional view [snip] > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
