Joe, The first one clearly isn't for the benefit of the Boddhisattva himself but for the beings he vows to save...
Edgar On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:26 AM, Joe wrote: > Edgar, > > If you'd heard or chanted the vows in English, you might have come to > understand them. > > Shame on you mouthing only gibberish in Japan, on someone else's Dime. > > Attend: > > There are four Bodhisattva vows. Follow me, now: and observe. > > Old Casey Stengel said, "You can observe a lot by just looking." > > The many Beings are numberless; I vow ...to save them; > Greed, Hatred, and Ignorance rise endlessly; I vow ...to abandon them; > Dharma Gates are countless; I vow ...to wake to them; > Buddha's Way is unsurpassed; I vow ...to embody it fully. > > As you can see, these are all vows by the Bodhisattva for the Bodhisattva. Or > maybe you can't. But the Bodhisattva, being what the Bodhisattva is, will > surely save those beings. I mean, you may rest assured. Especially if you > make these vows. Not otherwise. > > At awakening, there's no self. Nor beings. But this does not stop you from > continuing in harmony with beings. This is "saving", even after all are saved. > > It will never be clear to you until you drop everything. > > My Shih-fu used to say, "Even your socks". > > This is why I am the nudist I am, to this day. A nudist Buddhist balloonist > flutist cartoonist parachutist. Friends say the cutest. I dunno about that; > it makes me blush. > > Speaking figuratively?: why, certainly. > > --Joe > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > I disagree and your view is certainly at odds with Buddhist tradition. > > > > The traditional view [snip] > >
