Bill, What I'm saying is not found in any dictionary, nor is Zen...
Edgar On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > You are confusing the terms 'experience' with 'perception'. Look them up. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > The world of forms is already AT your door. Everything you experience is > > some aspect of the world of forms. That's what experience is, the world of > > forms. > > > > It is impossible to directly experience the formless because it has no > > characteristics whatsoever. In zazen one only experiences the RELATIVELY > > formless with fewer forms arising. It's an illusion to claim that's > > absolute formlessness. It's a Zen cliche which simply isn't true. > > > > Formlessness = NO EXPERIENCE AT ALL. > > > > This is the state of nonexistence before birth or after death... > > > > Buddha Nature manifests ONLY through forms... Formlessness manifests ONLY > > through forms.... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > When it arrives at my door and I can see, hear, feel, taste and/or smell > > > it I will believe! > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > I know you think the world of forms is illusion but when it arrives at > > > > your door that will change fast! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:14 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > Edgar and RAF, > > > > > > > > > > Why are you concerned with Hindu Cycles? Don't we have to get through > > > > > the Aztec Calendar thingy first? > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Joe, > > > > >> > > > > >> I'm pretty sure, but will let RAF speak for himself if he likes, > > > > >> that his use of the term for the last of the 4 Hindu cycles was a > > > > >> simply a metaphor for the approaching global catastrophe both he and > > > > >> I see approaching rather than any indication he believes in any of > > > > >> the details of Hindu mythology. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Edgar > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> RAF, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> A three-sigma signal? Or just a bump somewhere. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Wait for five-sigma? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Still, data requires a proper interpretation and interpreter if one > > > > >>> wants to project reliably. I *understand* your view is > > > > >>> Indio-syncratic. It doesn't mean we can't learn from it. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> But it's *I* who am now Mister Dubious. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> What goes around comes around. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Yes, it is discharged; and much obliged. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I put no stock in prophecy. Projecting from trends, *maybe*. But > > > > >>> not prophecy. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Those Indians could know nothing about global warming, fresh-water > > > > >>> shortages, raging population growth, sea-level rise, massive and > > > > >>> escalating species extinctions, etc., and the commercialization of > > > > >>> Society, where it had once been only the commercialization of the > > > > >>> Economy. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> But, "If it's not one thing, it's Another" (another folk-wisdom > > > > >>> gem). People think they're good at seeing trends and patterns, and > > > > >>> the gullible among them say it's been prophesied. You're not one of > > > > >>> Those, I gather. Come clean. Tell us Lassie's safe (oops, she > > > > >>> passed). > > > > >>> > > > > >>> --Joe > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> R A Fonda <rafonda@> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> Pls. let us know; the suspense is killing us. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> I have overlooked your sarcasm and given you an honest answer to a > > > > >>>> snide question; my obligation is discharged. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> RAF > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
