Suresh,

Below in your reply to Joe you stated:

"The situation of mine does not permit to meet any living zen teacher. Even if 
I want to learn Zen, I need to buy book and read it and then practice comes.

...but then you write, "...one can practice `awareness' by doing any
activity."

You don't need to meet a zen teacher or buy a book to practice zen.  You only 
need to be totally aware and present in every activity you do.  Sitting (zazen) 
is just a teaching technique which allows you to minimize distractions so you 
can more easily learn to do this - like practicing a sport by yourself before 
you go into the stress of competition.

There is nothing preventing you from acting mindfully right now in everything 
you do.

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN  wrote:
>
> Dear Joe,
> 
> Thanks for stressing on Practice. The situation of mine does not
> permit to meet any living zen teacher. Even if I want to learn Zen, I
> need to buy book and read it and then practice comes.
> 
> Joe: How did *he* come to his clarity about what he expresses? He did
> it by practice.
> 
> Suresh: He himself mentions that it happened all of sudden just like
> how it happened to Ramana Mahairhi. i.e. sudden death experience lead
> to realization that they are not body, from then no end for their
> experience. There is no doer like you state in zen practice, it is all
> happening.
> 
> Enlightenment is just like can happen when you contact with a
> enlightened guru if you are matured. Just like when a burning wood
> come in contact with dry wood, it will also catch fire. But when
> burning wood come into contact with wet wood or some rock, it will not
> able to burn immediately, but heat has been transferred to some
> extent.
> 
> Please note I do not take any one as authority. Authority comes only
> when you don't understand. For example I don't know veda, and wanted
> to learn, then I go to a teacher and learn from him. So for veda
> learning he becomes my authority. But for book reading, there is no
> need to assume author as some authority.
> 
> I don't know whether you know what is `understanding'? When one states
> I have understood?, what is that process that take place when one
> understands? Certainly understanding happens when one's mind is
> totally alert and in the present moment, then the things which are
> perceived / read appear with high clarity and then it dissolves with
> one's consciousness. Than whatever was perceived / read becomes his
> own, and not of the other who gave. Just like mathematics formula
> (a+b)2 = a2 + b2 + 2ab, I can use values and see it is right and then
> it becomes my consciousness, I don't remember it, but it is part of
> me.
> 
> Similarly when I read Eckhart Tolle, or J.Krishnamurti or Ramana
> Maharishi, they do not become my authority. But I understand them;
> their work becomes part of me as because it is proven by my
> experiment. In other words, I use `experiment' and you use "practice'.
> If JK states `see' and show a direction and I see, and I see what was
> indicated and realize the truth personally.
> 
> I am now sure you are like horse eyes tied and go only one direction
> and do not want to put effort to understand me rather you are glued to
> Zen `Practice'. Who said I am not practicing? And What are you
> practicing? Certainly you practice `awareness'.  And I do practice
> `awareness' on every activity of life, even in writing this mail to
> you.
> 
> Practicing is not just sitting in lotus posture with half closed eyes.
> This posture makes one to be aware of present moment and prevents to
> fall back on thoughts. But one can practice `awareness' by doing any
> activity.
> 
> More will come.
> 
> Suresh
> 
> 
> -- 
> Thanks and best regards
> J.Suresh
> New No.3, Old No.7,
> Chamiers road - 1st Lane,
> Alwarpet,
> Chennai - 600018
> Ph: 044 42030947
> Mobile: 91 9884071738
>



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