hey Joe, you mentioned THIS as boring before, when awakened. what do you mean?
HYS On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Joe <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > > > Iain, > > It's basic Hinduism. > > There, the universe is considered Lila, the play of God. > > Before the universe, God must have been bored out of his/her skull, so the > universe was made so Brahman could become Atman, and have some experience. > > The "play", though, is ideally for Atman to realize it is Brahman, > however, and so Hindu practice I think is dedicated to this. Hence, the > many Yogas, etc. > > As Buddhists, where no God is postulated, we nonetheless speak of the > Absolute and the Relative; or, as these ideas from Taoism are called, the > One, and the 10000 Things. > > In Zen practice, we can awaken, and indeed experience and live from > Emptiness, which may otherwise be called no-mind. That is rather a boring > state, although it is wonderful. Some prefer the busy, active, > manufactured, illusory mind, full of illusions and playful things, and a > "self", all of which are, however, also painful, due to Impermanence and > Dukha. > > Our original nature seems to be the unconditioned no-mind, but, obviously, > much becomes painted onto us with the years of conditioning by family, > education, and culture. > > The wonder is that it is possible to sink below this shroud, slough it > off, or dissolve it. > > When this sloughs off through effective practice, we return suddenly to > the One, where nothing is happening. Whether we remain that way is up to > us, in some ways, but also depends on causes and conditions. > > Practice helps to keep the contending forces "even", and we may remain > awake, and use everything freely of our original Human inheritance. This is > not just the Party Line, it is my experience. It is only the Party Line > because it is actual, and true, and maintained and offered by Wisdom and > Compassion. > > In some ways, yes, we've all "been there". It's just a matter of > remembering, or, much better, clearing the decks and experiencing this > again. > > Zen practice is crafted to enable this, as I think we all trust. > > --Joe > > > "iain" wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" wrote: > > > > > > The variety we have... share... partake in, from Earth, is better, I > think, than the monotony of the scene as seen from the Sun. The Sun has a > life so much like ours before the Absolute became the 10000 Things. Pretty > boring, with nothing going on. > > > > > > > How do you know what went on before the universe became manifest, and if > there is no experiencer presnt to indulge in the act of experiencing any > experience how can boring exist? > > > > Are you saying life in the absolute is boring? > > > > Have you been there? > > >
