Carl, You're good man, Charlie Brown.
Practice will open for you true compassion when you awaken. You will see the difference at that time. Nothing mystical about it. But it is nonetheless wonderful, and mysterious. More than that we cannot *helpfully* say, given the circumstances! And no need, if you practice. Practice saves a lot of "others'" breath. I know you are replying to Edgar, and not to me, but I want to offer my encouragement, and thanks, anyway. --Joe (Brown) > "Carl" <cjjohans@...> wrote: > > I'm afraid I don't see any "true compassion" other than what has been > discussed already. The way it's being used here (other than Bill's definition > of it) it seems like a mystical concept itself, so does not interest me > greatly to discuss it. I'm not a Buddhist so I won't debate those creeds. > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > Carl, > > > > Alleviation of suffering is NOT a path to enlightenment (though some > > Buddhist sects mistakenly claim it is). True compassion is the RESULT of > > enlightenment (realization is the term I prefer). Because realization > > includes the realization of the sufferings of all other beings as well as > > one's 'self' and a natural inclination to diminish unnecessary suffering. > > > > Yes, obviously all beings don't suffer all the time. I never implied that. > > For almost all beings life is a various mixture of happiness and suffering > > and other feelings as well. My point was that the natural design of the web > > of life that IS the biosphere necessarily incorporates suffering of some > > beings for the good of other beings. Thus physical suffering (pain) is part > > of nature's design and without it the biosphere and the web of life on > > earth would fall apart and it is questionable where life itself would > > survive... > > > > Edgar ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
